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Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« on: May 15, 2011, 12:47:15 PM »
UPDATE - 1/21/12:  I converted this to a 3 page PDF file and attached it at the bottom of this page which will print out better than this forum post.



Installing Symtec Heated Grips on a K75, K100 or K1100 w/ a BMW OEM Switch

Universal Disclaimer: This is how I’ve done this.  If you do this you do so at your own risk.  If you don’t understand electricity or how to properly wire things you can fry electrical components or maybe even start your bike on fire.
 
I’ve done this to several K bikes and they work just as well as the BMW OEM ones and using the BMW switch they come out being equivalent to the OEM heated grips but for a lot less moolah.
 
What you’ll need:
 
BMW Heated Grip Switch (Part # 61311459234)
Symtec Heated Grips: Make sure you get the motorcycle version. They’re usually cheapest at http://www.casporttouring.com.
ProGrip model 699 grip rubbers. (optional)
Some wiring connectors.
Symtec heated grip elements:

see symtec1.jpg below..

(Side note: The ProGrip 699 grip rubbers are what I've used on all of my Ks.  They're very comfortable even without gloves, transfer heat just fine and last forever.  Better yet, they're only $8/pair.  They also come in both closed- and open-ended versions so make sure you get the right ones depending upon whether your bike has bar ends or not.)

If you’re a handy shade tree mechanic then this wiring diagram is all you’ll need.
 

Wiring Schematic:

see symtec_hg_schematic2.jpg below..

Warning #1: If you’re like me you don’t read instructions and just figure things out for yourself.  I did skim over the Symtec instructions though and they warn you not to put power to the heating elements until they’re installed or you can burn them out.
 
Warning #2: The BMW heated grips are powered by Fuse 1.  It might not be a bad idea to pull Fuse 1 in case you short something while working.  An even better idea would be to disconnect the negative battery ground and power down the bike completely.
 
Step 1: Remove the gas tank:  First remove the seat.  Disconnect the power supply for the fuel pump – it’s the wire that comes out from under the tank and has a four lead connector on the right side of the bike. . There’s two clips on posts at the bottom rear of the tank. (Or a bolt on 85 K100s.) Remove those two clips, lift up the rear of the tank and pull it back.  If you’re careful you can get away with not removing fuel lines and leaving the tank on the bike but you’re probably better off removing the fuel lines and putting your tank in a safe place off to the side where it can’t get damaged. I'd recommend either emptying the tank or running it really low before starting this project because after you disconnect the fuel lines it will leak out of the aft left outlet.  Tilt it against the wall with the front pointing up to keep it from leaking.
 
Step 2: Find your power source:  The factory wiring harness for K bikes has a connector for heated grips.  It is a "T" connector which has short leads and can be found under the tank on the left side about two thirds of the way back.  It has two wires.  The green/black wire is switched power from Fuse 1.  The brown wire is a ground.
 
Step 3: Remove the old grip rubber:  If you’re smart you’ll just cut the old grips off and throw them away since you already followed my advice and bought a pair of the ProGrip 699s.
 
Step 4: Install the heated grip switch:  Pull out one of the switch blanks and then run the switch wires through the hole and install the switch in your dash pad.  Then run the wires from that under the tank with your other wires, making sure the wires are not stressed when turning and that it does not hinder steering.  Once you have the wiring from the heated grip switch routed under the tank, cut off the connector and strip the ends of the three wires.
 
Step 5: Attach the throttle side heating element: Figure out where your fingers will normally be, remove the backing from the heating element labeled “Throttle” and stick it onto the throttle tube.
 
One of the weaknesses of the Symtec heated grips is that the repeated stress from twisting the throttle can cause the wiring to become detached from heating element on the throttle side.  A few wraps of fine gauge brass wire can reduce the chances of this happening:

see symtecwire3.jpg below..


 
Step 6: Attach the clutch side heating element:  (Note: If you're replacing BMW heated grips get rid of the old plastic tube on the clutch side - the Symtec element is designed to work on a metal bar.) I recommend that before you apply the heating element to the clutch side of the handlebars that you wrap it once or twice in electrical tape.  This will reduce the heat sink effect of the handlebar so the grip will heat up faster and more evenly with the throttle side.  Then remove the backing from the heating element labeled “Clutch” and apply it where your left fingers will normally be when riding.
 
Step 7:  Run the heating element wires under the tank:  Run these along the back of the handlebars with the other cabling and wiring by the steering head and then down under the tank.  Be sure to leave enough slack by the throttle so it can have full throttle movement without stressing the heated grip wires.  Be sure that you have full side to side motion of the handlebars without stressing the wires and that the wiring does not hinder full steering movement.
 
(Note: The following assumes Symtec has not changed the wiring colors since I last did this.  The most important thing is to find out which wire is common to both the high and low heating elements of each heating element and use that as the ground.  In my case the common wire was the red one.  I also recommend using Posi-Locks or some other reliable connector for connecting wires together.  The Scotchloks that come with the Symtec heating elements are notoriously unreliable.)
 
Step 8: Connect the wiring:
The green wire from the switch is the power to the switch.  Connect that to the green/black wire from the factory wiring harness T connector.
The black wire from the heated grip switch is for the high setting.  Connect that to the white wires coming from the heated grip elements.
The orange wire coming from the switch is for the low setting.  Connect that to the blue wires coming from the heated grip elements.
Using a ring terminal, ground both red wires from the heating elements to the main grounding point under the middle of the tank. It's a bolt with a 10mm head and a bunch of brown wires attached via ring terminals.
 
Step 9: Test: Make sure all of your wiring connections are solid and well-insulated.  Replace Fuse 1 or reconnect the battery. Turn the bike on. It doesn't have to be running, just on.  Move the switch to the low setting (down) and wait a few seconds.  Feel the heating elements on both sides – they should be getting warm.  Now move the switch to the high setting (up) and they should get even warmer.
 
Step 10: Install grip rubber:  The easiest way to do this is to use aerosol hairspray.  It works well because it initially will make it easy to slide the grip rubbers on when it is wet and then will set up to hold them in place.  If you're using the ProGrips you'll notice that one of them has a smaller inside diameter and slightly thicker rubber.  That one is for the clutch side.
 
Step 11: Put the tank back on: Reinstall the fuel lines.  The rear one goes to the fuel rail.  Then center the tank, straddle the bike, push it forward, then down and make sure the posts seat well in the rubber grommets.  (Armor All on the rubber grommets acts great as a lubricant to get the posts reseated.) Also make sure that the drain outlets on the right rear of the tank are hooked up to their hoses or draining into a little cup that sits beneath them.  If those outlets end up draining gas onto a hot engine bad flaming things can happen.  Also be sure to reinstall the clips onto the posts – without them the tank is more prone to fly off the bike in an accident – which is a bad thing.  Then put the seat back on go for a ride.  You did remember to hook up the power connection for the fuel pump, didn’t you?
 
Step 12: Mail me a check for $90:  That’s half of the $180 I just saved you since you didn’t have to buy BMW OEM heated grips for $250. ;D
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 12:33:35 AM »
Step 7:  Run the heating element wires under the tank:  Run these along the back of the handlebars with the other cabling and wiring by the steering head and then down under the tank. ...

Would it have been doable to reverse the heating elements by putting the wires on the ends of the bars such that you could run the wires through the bars like the OEM grips?  On the throttle side, the heating element should turn with the tube so there would be no "rubbing".

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 12:41:40 AM »
rodger that motodude...

some bars have solid ends and require the heater wires to exit the grip towards the switchgear...

some bars are hollow with an open end and a hole under the crash pad... with these bars you want the heater wires to exit the grip towards the bar end and fished trough the bar and out the hole under the crash pad...

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2011, 12:51:57 AM »
Makes sense.  I've only owned 2V, Monolever K's.  They have hollow bars, etc.  I didn't realize the newer K's had solid ends.

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2011, 12:59:19 PM »
Makes sense.  I've only owned 2V, Monolever K's.  They have hollow bars, etc.  I didn't realize the newer K's had solid ends.

Thanks,
Tom

The K1100s have bar end mounts welded onto them.  If you get the non-HG version bars then it's welded all of the way around, effectively making them closed-end bars.  The HG versions of the bars do have holes in the bases of the bar end mounts for running HG wiring.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 10:30:35 PM »
some bars are hollow with an open end and a hole under the crash pad... with these bars you want the heater wires to exit the grip towards the bar end and fished trough the bar and out the hole under the crash pad...

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Yeah, that's how you had the Bug wired.  Made for a real pain in the ass when I took the C bars off of my 93 RS and swapped in the Bug's RS bars.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 08:30:10 AM »
Are standard 7/8 inch grips suitable for this setup? Also, the progrip 699 seems to be hard to come by these days, any alternative suggestions?

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 08:42:16 AM »
competition accessories gotts black open end and black closed end in stock...

 http://www.compacc.com/p/Pro-Grip-699-Sportbike-Gel-Grips/1317001

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2012, 11:56:45 AM »
I have no problem getting Progrip 699s from a local moto shop - Seattle Cycle Center.  I call ahead to see if they have them in stock.  If they don't them on hand then they'll order them for me and call me when they show up - saves on shipping.

There's also several vendors who sell them on Fleabay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=progrip+699&_sacat=0

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 05:43:07 PM »
There's also several vendors who sell them on Fleabay:
Hm... I was sure I'd searched ebay, but clearly I hadn't searched the US one. (ebay has this "rest of the world" site that I normally use but apparently for whatever reason it leaves out 95% of US offerings when I search there.) Speaking of shipping, the first of those ebay vendors I looked at wanted $40 for sending me a pair of grips, not including the $8 for the actual grips...  :loco:  There are some cheaper ones too, thankfully.

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 03:13:36 PM »
So I ordered the symtec heaters, but somehow I managed to get the ATV version. I don't know what the difference is... should I return them or install them regardless? (the shipping cost is rather prohibitive..  :dunno)

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 03:32:28 PM »
The heating elements are different for the motorcycle version.  The throttle side is meant to be mounted on a plastic throttle tube while the clutch side mounts on the metal handlebar.  I'm not an ATV expert but I think most ATVs have a thumb throttle so both sides of the ATV kit will have the same heating element to be mounted on the metal bars.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 08:21:24 AM »
Any idea what might be the consequence of mounting the ATV element onto the plastic tubing then? Would the difference be in electrical or the physical aspects of the heater element?

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 11:02:22 AM »
The metal handlebar on the cltuch side acts as a heat sink so you'll end up with more heat on the throttle side.  Will it get hot enough to melt the plastic throttle tube? I don't know.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 12:57:47 PM »
.....Will it get hot enough to melt the plastic throttle tube? I don't know.

Even if it doesn't melt the throttle tube it may get hot enough to deform it to the point of sticking and not rotating smoothly. Not exactly a condition I would want.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2012, 01:41:42 PM »
Hm... so I'm thinking that one possibility would be to use only half power on the throttle side. I mean, if I understand correctly each "pad" has actually two heater elements. On the clutch side I hook them up in parallell (I'm going to use Duck's PWM trick), and on the throttle side I hook up just one of the elements for 50% power. Worth a try?

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2012, 06:18:11 PM »
[...] and on the throttle side I hook up just one of the elements for 50% power.
...or actually 60% power, since apparently the two elements are about 16 and 10 watts respectively. So I'd get 26 watts on the clutch side and 16 on the throttle.

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2012, 07:15:05 PM »
Worth a try.  You can always rewire them later.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2012, 10:24:39 AM »
The progrip 699 is marked as discontinued on Bike Bandit.    It's described as 7/8" OD and 125mm long.

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 01:46:30 PM »
I got mine from amazon I think it was. Still haven't fitted them, although I really could have used some grip heat on my trip yesterday--dark, cold, and very wet. But fun  :bmwsmile

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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2012, 01:35:29 PM »
Wiring schematic has been replaced by the Blue Question Mark Of Doom as seen from my confooser.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2012, 02:28:24 PM »
Probably PhotoBucket spazzing out or your browser has issues.  Direct link:

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd470/Motobrick/heated_grips/symtec_hg_schematic2.jpg
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2012, 12:13:05 AM »
Thanks Duck. The diagram appeared this time when I opened this Topic.
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Re: Aftermarket heated grips with an OEM switch
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2018, 03:05:14 PM »
Hate to bump an old thread, but I just completed this mod and it works great. Thought I'd add a few instructions:

I fished the wire through the bar ends and out the hole on the back of the center of the bars (between the clamps) using heat shrink tubing and electrical tape to attach the heater wires to 10 or 12ga wire pushed to each end from the center. It's best to detach the gauge cluster and switch panel to get access to the hole. I'm not sure how else you could route the wire on the throttle side, especially considering the motion required.

I wrapped the heater wire on the throttle side with steel wire, then epoxied over the steel and solder connections on the heater to make sure the steel doesn't slide over and short the heater, and that I wouldn't break connections putting the new grips on (pic attached).

Lots of Windex on the grips and bars worked best for putting the new grips on, better than my air compressor.

When taking off the old grips, I had luck taking off the throttle tube. Thankfully, it's pretty stout and stands up to abuse from a 200lb gorilla. Make sure to realign the marks on the tube end and throttle cable gear.

There is a slight bump at the end of each grip where the wire is soldered onto the heater pad, which is only noticeable if you look for it.

After riding for about an hour in the low teens (°F), it seems like "high" mode will almost melt gloves, and "low" is significantly colder.

Last, now that I have 3 out of 4 switches on my dash pad, I'm trying to think of what to install in that last blank space.

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