Author Topic: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)  (Read 6044 times)

Offline cbrazbox

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  Hi all. I've done some searching and couldn't find an answer, but my apologies if this has been covered in a previous thread I may have overlooked. Here's the deal...

  With the original tach, any time RPMs went above 6k or so, regardless of which gear it was in, the needle would gradually float back and forth between the actual RPM and roughly 500 RPM lower. Once they were back below 6k, the needle would function as normal. Sometimes if I accelerated hard at high RPMs it would take a second for the needle to move at all, but this was a random and relatively rare occurrence.

  Recently I found another K75 instrument cluster in much better shape all around than my original for about $20, so I swapped it out. Since then, the new tach will operate fine until the bike heats up, then it is constantly swinging between 0- 5k and back, totally independent of what the real RPMs might be. Once this starts, it doesn't matter how low or high the actual RPMs are, and it continues even upon restarting if the bike is turned off for a minute (again, seems to persist for as long as the engine is warm). Speedometer, odometer, trip, and instrument lights all work fine while this is going on.

  So here's the weird part that may or may not be related. When I bought the bike it had no turn signals. The brake light was out, and the fuse was blown (2nd from top if I remember correctly). So I added turn signals I had laying around using the original wiring: 2 regular at the rear, and 2 LED at the front. Then replaced the rear brake light and the fuse and was surprised that everything worked without additional resistors to trick the indicator circuit. Everything worked as it should for about a month, until suddenly the left signal would randomly fail. I also noticed the horn sounded weaker as well when this happened. Further adding the the wackiness... when the signal fails, I can generally switch on the right signal, cancel it, hit the horn, then switch on the left signal, and the left will suddenly work again. :dunno2: Sometimes (but not always) just honking will make the left signal kick in, and you can hear the horn suddenly get louder when it does. I couldn't find any discrepancies in the wiring diagram, and checked for bad grounds and found nothing. Any chance auto-cancelling feature could have something to do with this?

  I read something somewhere that made it sound like there might be a correlation between a flakey turn signal and a bouncy tach, but it never elaborated or clarified how. If I'm honest, sorting out electrical problems isn't exactly my strongest suit, so any help, hints, or guesses about all or some of what's going on here would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2016, 12:19:57 AM »
Wow, a working cluster for $20!  That is amazing :clap:

I think the self canceling signals are tied to the speedo sensor, not the tach.  No idea what is going on with yours, but I remember when my starter went bad, nothing happened when I pushed the starter button except the tach needle quietly rose up to 5 or 6k. 
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Offline cbrazbox

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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 01:08:35 AM »
I know! I could hardly believe it myself. :yes

Hmmm... It's interesting you mention that. It looks like the starter motor and both combo switches actually run to the relief relay. I assume the tach is reading off the coil's fire rate?
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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 02:11:22 AM »
Tachometer is powered off coil number three black wire with a white tracer. Flaky Tachometer
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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 04:51:26 AM »
Martin, actually it's coil #1 and a Black/Blue wire that feeds the primary signal output from the ICU to the instrument cluster.  So the first inspection should be the 1/4" spade connection to coil 1.  Look for a loose connection or degrading crimp connection to the wires.  The Black/Blue wire feeds directly into the instrument cluster through the 24 pin connector.  This is your second point of failure.  Check, clean and reseat the 24-pin connector to the instrument cluster to ensure good electrical contact with the pins.  The signal from the external connector flows through flexible circuit strips inside the instrument cluster to the electronic circuit that conditions the electrical impulses into a suitable signal to drive the servomotor for the tach needle.  It's possible that corrosion in that circuit's connectors.  However, I don't think it is probable.  My bet is on a poor connection at the coil end.

As for the turn signal, the flasher relay should have hyperflashed with only a half load such as what you supplied it. The symptoms you are describing sound again like corroded poor connections.  There are 9-pin connectors on the  ends of the hand controls that feed into the wiring harness.  These connectors are located under the tank.  I'd do the same inspection, cleaning and reseating recommended for the coils.

Fuse 2 missing would have disabled the BMU and the parking light.  That might have caused a missing blake light function but it could also have caused you not to have the rear running lights.  There is no functional connection between a flaky tachometer and flaky signals; that's just coincidence.
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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 05:01:45 AM »
Had to get the wife to check the colour on the wiring diagram it was a toss up between black blue or black white. 50/50 chance got it wrong.
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Offline cbrazbox

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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2016, 08:56:30 PM »
Oops. I meant parking light, not brake in my original post.


Anyways, thanks for the help guys. It turned out to be the Black/Blue wire at the 24 pin connector. It appeared to be normal at a glance, but upon further inspection, was quite literally hanging by a thread.
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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2016, 12:34:44 AM »
Hanging by a thread! Bravo. Another K gremlin dies!

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Re: 1991 K75s jumpy tachometer (/electrical gremlins/ turn signal problem)
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 10:00:01 PM »
I have a tach on my '87 K75s that quits working suddenly, and then resumes when it feels like it a few minutes later. I'll be checking that blue/black connector on Coil #1 also. Thanks for the tip. 
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