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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2016, 01:03:04 PM »
Its not something I am familiar with. In previous trips I always carried a can of emergency tyre sealant. Its the stuff in a can that contains compressed air as well as a sealant to clog . . .
You've used that on tube type tires? Which brand is it?
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2016, 01:12:32 PM »
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2016, 10:15:08 AM »
Used Slime in my enduro tires back in the day.  Sealing was hit or miss with the lower pressures(~25psi) we ran our tires at.  Not advisable to put it in tubeless tires, especially if you have your tires changed by someone else.   As with those beads that are used for dynamic balancing it tends to make a big mess, and causes much anger in the people who perform tire changes.   

Overall, it sounds like your bike is more than ready for the trip.  Instead of changing it now I would carry the spare fuel pump along with anything in the way of tools and peripheral parts necessary to change it.  It doesn't take up much room and just by having that stuff along you will be guaranteed that your pump will not fail.

Now go and get packed, get the kick stand up and start putting some serious miles on that fine looking beast.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2016, 05:49:18 PM »
Slime...
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2016, 04:59:55 AM »
Used Slime in my enduro tires back in the day.  Sealing was hit or miss with the lower pressures(~25psi) we ran our tires at.  Not advisable to put it in tubeless tires, especially if you have your tires changed by someone else.   As with those beads that are used for dynamic balancing it tends to make a big mess, and causes much anger in the people who perform tire changes.   

Overall, it sounds like your bike is more than ready for the trip.  Instead of changing it now I would carry the spare fuel pump along with anything in the way of tools and peripheral parts necessary to change it.  It doesn't take up much room and just by having that stuff along you will be guaranteed that your pump will not fail.

Now go and get packed, get the kick stand up and start putting some serious miles on that fine looking beast.

Good advice, thanks again. First stop Elephant Rally, Germany.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2016, 08:54:29 AM »
Have fun.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2016, 12:38:04 PM »
There is a very good community of K owners in Europe.

I use a K100RT just now and have a K100LT. I don't go K1100 because too much weight for me.

The K100RT is 1984 and in 3 years has just put its 5th set of tyres on it and I get 10-12,000 MILES a set. In that time it has never let me down. I happily take it to Europe and have also done cross Europe runs in 20 year old cars. Every time I have been broken down it has been cars under 5 years old, never older ones. My son gets breakdowns on much newer bikes and cars.

From my own experience around here you have got some very good advice. I would never take a newish motor for a long trip.

Inside my tragkorb lids are stickers for Motorworks and Motobins, with phone numbers and web addresses. Sorted and you will get parts sent anywhere in next to no time. If you want even simpler you can also use an Amazon/eBay/PayPal account that you have set up so you can still get stuff if you lose your wallet!. Just set them up on a different credit card not travelling with you.

Clutch cable: put in a brand new one but use the genuine BMW one and not a pattern. At same time replace the nipple AND the sleeve that goes round the nipple. Then check the lever because it wears where the nipple sits and creates a ridge that stops the nipple rotating fully......and so it pulls the cable at an angle...SNAP. Lube only the nipple regularly. NOT the cable. Then throw the old nipple in somewhere safe. Snap a cable, spare cable is great but that's when you discover the nipple went too and that it doesn't come with the cable......

Throttle cable, same but also clean and lube up the chain mechanism......

Somewhere tucked away you need......spare clutch lever, front brake lever and spare gear lever. Why? Some fekr may knock the bike over and snap them. I have had it happen twice. And, take the old ones off and clean the splines/pivots and grease them up...so you know they will come off when you are away if they get broken. I have a spares bike and thought take that gear lever as a spare. No such luck, it won't come off. But if that happens up in the Alps your spare is no use.....

Fuel pump can be bought in UK for £50 and is correct fit.

Brake pads and tyres before you leave....

Alternator monkey nuts, brake fluid change, clutch rod boot.

One not mentioned, fuel hose. This perishes and hardens and cracks easily when disturbed. Replace them, cheap, use the BMW screw hose clips from the R series, they are neat and mean you can remove the gas tank if needed. Don't leave the old pipes, seen a lot of fuel leaks on Ks from old pipes. cheap. Then get 2 small off cuts about an inch long, seal one end with mastic. If you do have to take the tank off slip them over the spigots, keeps dirt out and no leaks.

Add some cable ties, electrical tape, some wire, Jubilee or worm hose clips, electrical connectors, spare bulbs. Spare brake pads, had friction material come off one of mine at a wheel change with only about 5k miles on the pads, seemingly not unheard of. Plus I have found my rear pads don't last as long as the rear tyre. Not caused by a bad disc, disc was new. On LT its easy to use a lot of rear braking especially touring and lots of weight on the rear. Lots of hills is harder on brakes.

Make a small list of contact numbers for people with access to workshop or K parts. Like some time back I got a panic call for a fuel pump. Had one on my shelf so the guy had one in a few hours. I let people take the parts and they order a replacement to be delivered to me but it means they don't have to await delivery. I send stuff to Europe and it generally gets there in 2/3 days on regular mail.

Get both wheels balanced too. In France you have a 130km speed limit as in 80mph and you will travel at that speed because that's what the traffic does. You will notice imbalance or low pressure. Important too is that one these roads it's a sustained high speed and its where the Ks really shine. Higher tyre pressures are normal for this, I use 38psi front 110/90/18 and 42-45psi rear 140/80/17 and it feels like on rails.

Some tyres while brilliant in dry conditions are less than perfect in wet conditions. Pilot Road 3 and BT 45 are 2 very common options here. I have tried most and now don't venture from the BT45 as I ride all year and would wear a set out over the winter. Excellent in the cold too. Lots of local K1100 recommendations though.

If you are going very soon don't go at anything major. Sounds like you have done most of the stuff anyway. The oil/water pump generally doesn't do a catastrophic fail but will start to leak giving you time to work out sorting it and to get parts if needed. I would not do it just a few days before going because it's one thing that can occasionally need a second visit. If working well leave alone for now. I went across Europe in a 20 year old car with a very minor coolant leak at the thermostat and was going to sort it and decided not to. I threw the parts in so I could sort it if needed but it was fine. Did it when I came back.

I have one of the tyre repair kits with the little gas cylinders. Never used it on the K but I have got others out of trouble with it so they do work and no slime. Essential travel kit in my book.

Sadly my tool roll weighs in at about 2.5 kilos or over 5 pounds weight. However I can do any task with it and it has been very useful.

Enjoy the trip and let us know if you will be making it to Ireland. I had a very pleasant evening two days ago with a K owner visiting from Surrey who wanted to sample some beer.

Because we live on an island ferry travel is our norm. So I bring my own tie downs for going on ferries. As in work out how the K will be tied down and have a cable tie to clamp the front brake to stop it rolling off the stand. Also have a tie from the stand to the front wheel. The second use is if you did need a recovery a lot of the recovery guys are clueless about bikes and especially about Ks. Lots of Mediterranean ferries from Italy across to Croatia and Greece etc etc.....Malta Corsica Sardinia and more.

A very useful thing is a bicycle type of lock, a long wire one with plastic coating. Run it through the carrier, tragkorb handles and across the pillion seat. When you go somewhere you can use it to lock helmet or bike gear through leg or sleeve or other stuff to the bike for a short time.

The advice about some small amount of oil is wise. On the motorway in Austria at a services I saw over €40 for a 1 litre oil. Lidl sell them for €5 and most places no more than €10. Depending on your packing a 500ml Coke bottle with oil in it is a very useful idea.

And don't use E85 gasoline....

If you get to Ireland be sure we get to see you. Very active K community here.....Safe travels too!
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2016, 07:25:30 AM »
Thank you for this truly epic write-up. I had to read through several times to make sure I caught everything. Sounds like you really spoke from experience.  If passing through Ireland I will make sure I swing by. Same goes for you if ever in London.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2016, 09:43:53 AM »
I had my first mechanical scare today. I have noticed for the past few days that the gearbox/clutch seemed to be noisier then usual. There defiantly seems to be the bag of bolts noise coming from the general area although you do have to listen closely. I started the engine this morning and after letting it warm for a few minutes noticed a huge puddle of oil coming from the clutch pushrod arm seal which was replaced less then a year ago.


I can't see any traces of oil on the swingarm or rear wheel so I can only assume this is recent.



I am hoping that this is just a case of tightening the clamp around the seal and that the lower level of oil in the gearbox has caused the increased noise but having said this i'm now pretty worried that there is some major internal damage.

Also to note that the leak stopped as soon as I turned the engine off.

Any advice or re-assurement's are welcome!





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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2016, 10:24:09 AM »
I had my first mechanical scare today. I have noticed for the past few days that the gearbox/clutch seemed to be noisier then usual.
Where was the gear oil's level when you measured it with your oem shock absorber adjustment handle, or other device that you made to measure it?
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2016, 10:36:02 AM »
I'm guessing you are talking about this thing? I've actually never used it, when I filled the gearbox I used a measuring cup and filled it to spec.


I'm guessing I push it all the way in through the filler and there should be some oil on the end?


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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2016, 10:38:27 AM »
On the K75 there is a line scribed across that handle. That's where the oil level should be in the gear box. Is there one on that?

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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2016, 10:56:18 AM »
Yes there is. Il report back on the level. At this point it may be better to drain and refill with new oil.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2016, 11:00:17 AM »
Sounds like you caught it in time if you didn't drive too far with that noise. Tightening the boot may fix the leak.

Don't use a measuring vessel. Fill gradually, checking the level with the gauge periodically and stop when oil reaches the line. That tool's handle should hang into the gearbox with its shoulder holding it from dropping further. Don't force it in. Rotate it until it drops in.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2016, 01:35:12 PM »
It goes without saying that the measurement should be made with the bike on the centerstand.

Before refilling with good synthetic oil, it might be a good idea to put some inexpensive oil in and run the engine for a few minutes.  Drain that oil and look for any metal particles that may have come out with it.  You might want to stir the oil with a magnet to get an idea of how much metal there is and what the particle size is.  That will give you some idea of how much damage, if any, has been done and help you plan your next move.  Clean oil will be very reassuring.   And if there is any metal you at least will know it is no longer in there doing more damage.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2016, 10:31:30 AM »
Appreciate the advice. I went back this morning to check on the bike, its in a underground car park in central london so it can be quite hard going down there with all the tools. There was allot more oil this time. I found a huge split on the top half of the seal. How could this happen in under a year? Could my clutch setup be wrong?
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2016, 10:46:06 AM »
How could this happen in under a year? Could my clutch setup be wrong?
Your clutch is still on the other side of the case, isn't it? :giggles

Don't worry about it; just replace the boot carefully. Tighten the clamp carefully. Fill the case carefully according to instructions here.

I thought you were parked a Caucusas village being regaled with goathead soup and vodka while waiting for the weather to clear. Carry on. You've got fish and chips and curry handy to sustain you.


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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2016, 10:51:49 AM »
How is your clutch cable adjusted? 

I am convinced that the cable adjustment is more critical to prevent damage to the(obscenely overpriced) rubber boot than to the proper operation of the clutch. 
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2016, 10:56:21 AM »
Also, any time the cable is disconnected at the bottom arm, something MUST be provided to prevent the arm dropping down and tearing the boot.  Tie the arm up with a bit of string or a cable tie or place a block under the arm.  In any event, support that arm!
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2016, 11:00:41 AM »
  In any event, support that arm!
And the right to bear it, too!
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2016, 11:08:39 AM »
Your clutch is still on the other side of the case, isn't it? :giggles



You know I just had a thought, this all started right after a tried to drive off whilst forgetting the rear disc lock, it was a very slow pull off but I'm concerned i've fucked something up.




I thought you were parked a Caucusas village being regaled with goathead soup and vodka while waiting for the weather to clear. Carry on. You've got fish and chips and curry handy to sustain you.



That I would not even mind, goathead stew sounds like a good time and the vodka would go down well.




How is your clutch cable adjusted? 

I am convinced that the cable adjustment is more critical to prevent damage to the(obscenely overpriced) rubber boot than to the proper operation of the clutch. 


I'm almost sure the clutch was badly adjusted, I just don't see how this could happen in such a short period of time. I can only assume that the clutch arm was pulling excessively on the boot. I've just paid £30 for a new boot and oil... Overpriced indeed. When I fit the new boot I will make sure its adjusted with minimum tension on the boot.
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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2016, 11:08:41 AM »
And the right to bear it, too!
I don't think they have that right across the pond :D


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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2016, 11:13:55 AM »
I don't think they have that right across the pond :D


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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2016, 11:15:23 AM »
I don't think they have that right across the pond :D
They're restricting access and control of clutch arms, too? Lamentable!

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Re: 10,000K Voyage, mechanical advice needed
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2016, 11:24:19 AM »
The clutch arm only needs to flop down once to tear that boot that is made from unicorn foreskins.  DAMHIK.

Driving off with the disc lock installed? OUCH!!!  You may be in need of first gear dental work.  Have you drained the oil and checked it for metal particles? 

What happens when you rotate the rear wheel with the transmission in gear?  Try it in each of the 5 gears and neutral.  Any binding?  Weird noises?  Can you start the engine on the center stand and run through the gears?
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