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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #150 on: December 19, 2016, 07:14:19 PM »
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #151 on: December 19, 2016, 07:18:58 PM »
Thanks. I will see if I can track one down, looks like it isn't available from a dealer.  Alternatively I might try and mod the one I have to make it fit
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #152 on: December 19, 2016, 07:26:18 PM »
Thanks. I will see if I can track one down, looks like it isn't available from a dealer.  Alternatively I might try and mod the one I have to make it fit
Then there's this.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #153 on: December 21, 2016, 12:17:44 PM »
I didn't know there were 4 bolt wheels. Must be a K75 thing. Yes, use all 5. The fifth is not an accessory...

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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #154 on: December 21, 2016, 12:19:55 PM »
I didn't know there were 4 bolt wheels. Must be a K75 thing....
Five bolts are a paralever thing.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #155 on: December 21, 2016, 05:42:15 PM »
I finally found out where the brake lines go correctly for the ABS 1 on my bike . a big thanks to John (SugarHillCTD) over on the k1100 forum for taking the time to take photos and send me the explanation.

The bottom hole on the modulator is for the calipers as Drake had it in his diagram.  The top one is for the brake lever.

So the fiche is wrong
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #156 on: December 22, 2016, 10:53:51 AM »
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #157 on: December 22, 2016, 11:50:39 AM »
So the fiche is wrong
Say it isn't so!
Regardless, the schematic from the BMW ABS1 Users Manual available in the Technical Library here has been accurate.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #158 on: December 22, 2016, 11:53:08 AM »
Regardless, the schematic from the BMW ABS1 Users Manual available in the Technical Library here has been accurate.
The tech library here on motobrick has been invaluable. It's helped me so much already and I haven't even done much yet.


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #159 on: December 22, 2016, 12:10:22 PM »
The ABS manual is accurate but limited in the info.  It does show which line goes into which hole but no specifics on the lines themselves. I am very glad I managed to get confirmation from an owner with the same bike as me.  If it had been anything other than the brakes I would have been less concerned.  I am getting my new brake lines tomorrow so I will install everything and bleed the system over the weekend, when not cooking or stuffing my face with Turkey anyway!
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2016, 07:12:35 PM »
Got my Spiegler brake lines today and unless I am crazy they screwed up the order.  I have a 1991 K100RS 16V ABS 1.  They sent me six lines three with banjo connections at both ends, two with a banjo at one end and a female screw at the other and one banjo make screw.


I am pretty sure I needed four banjo to banjo - one for each caliper to the Y joint and one from the rear caliper to the ABS modulator and another from the the ABS modulator to the rear brake master cylinder. 


Other than that a good day - I got the tank back painted and it looks great - also the tragkorbs and the mirrors and lastly a bunch of bits from MaxBMW.


Basically one good push over the next three or four days and I should be on the road!


All in all a good day - especially since it is my birthday! 52 today.


Happy Holidays to you all.


Ride safe!

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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #161 on: December 23, 2016, 08:55:28 PM »
. . . it is my birthday! 52 today.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #162 on: December 23, 2016, 09:36:13 PM »
Happy birfday and Merry Christmas!
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  • '91K100RS White/Blue
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'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #163 on: December 23, 2016, 11:01:57 PM »

Happy Birthday Merry Christmas yours is even closer to Christmas than mine 21st. I used to hate it as a kid, the old combo present trick. :musicboohoo:
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #164 on: December 24, 2016, 01:03:57 PM »
Happy birthday and merry Christmas! I have the same bike as you do (but mines a '92) and if I don't get my Spieglers for Christmas from the wife I'll be ordering them myself so please let us know what you find out.


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #165 on: December 27, 2016, 03:01:17 PM »
I started putting things back together today and it actually starts!



Hmm I tried to post a video but it didn't seem to work


Let's try again





I also wrote more in the post.


New fuel gauge works, temperature gauge works, fan comes on when it is supposed to.


It seems to be running a little rough and I need to balance the TB's etc but I would appreciate any feedback on how it sounds etc.  I am pretty new to K's so my ear isn't attuned to the good and bad sounds they make...
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #166 on: December 27, 2016, 03:14:32 PM »

 :2thumbup:  Nearly there this is where it starts to get exciting.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #167 on: December 27, 2016, 04:39:39 PM »
It sounds very similar to mine...but I'm not sure if that's good or bad. lol


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #168 on: December 27, 2016, 04:51:01 PM »
I would appreciate any feedback on how it sounds etc.  I am pretty new to K's so my ear isn't attuned to the good and bad sounds they make...
It sounds butch.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #169 on: December 27, 2016, 06:46:28 PM »
Thanks Laitch, I'll take that as a compliment.


MaruadeRS quick update on the Spiegler lines.  Firstly they are a bit of a pain to install, not too bad but even so.  My main complaint with them so far though is that the lines are so short and so stiff I have not been able to take a front caliper off with the lines attached. That means the only way is to unscrew the banjo either at the top where it hits the three way joint or on the caliper itself before removing the caliper from the wheel.  That, inevitably leads to quite a lot of spilled brake fluid.  My other observation is about the banjo bolts that come with the kit.  They are VERY soft aluminium and I threaded two of them due to powdercoat residue - I do not mean I threaded them at the top of the hole when starting the bolt I mean I had the banjo 3/4 of the way into the hole and going perfectly  - it then hit the powder coat residue and instantly threaded as I tightened it.  The kit may say use only their bolts but I would ignore that and use the BMW ones or at the very least proceed with extreme caution using the Spiegler banjos, I guess you can take them in and out four times maximum before they are junk.


In theory they are sending out the correct missing hose this week. Meanwhile I just installed one of the old ones for now.


So now to the big question that I have been avoiding.  On this forum there are a million threads and posts about valve clearances and shims on the 2v models. Mention 4v though and there is a collective sharp intake of breath and lots of sideways glances.  As far as I can gather it is ok to check the 4v engine's valve clearances but unless you are a wrenching God do not attempt to shim them.  Is that fair? Are the valve clearances as critical on a 16v?  Should I check them and them take them to BMW if they are wrong or just take it to BMW to check and fix if necessary?
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #170 on: December 27, 2016, 09:23:10 PM »
Your Brick has been neglected. You must check the valve clearances.  If they need adjusting and you've got the time, tools, clear written instructions and the nerve, adjust them to the correct values.

Mechanical procedure at the level most of us practice is nothing more than following instructions carefully using the appropriate tools and paying attention. That includes adjusting valves on 16v Bricks. It's more complicated than on 8v Bricks only because there are more steps and parts involved in the procedure. Regardless of whether a procedure is simple or complex, only one step can be done at a time—one step after the next until it is finished.  Once the valves are correctly adjusted on 16v Bricks, their reputation seems to be that they stay that way. If you've got the money to pay somebody else to do it, pay them and accept the outcome.

It is pointless to raise this deal to a mythical level. Getting a less complex bike would be a better strategy.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #171 on: December 27, 2016, 10:25:07 PM »
The dearth of comments on this procedure is testament to how often it is needed.

OK, here is my experience from a sister brick to yours. 

My bike has over 114,000 miles and came to me with no service records, but judging from it's condition I'm guessing the valves were never done.  I say this because the word on the 4 valve engines is that the valves hold their clearance.  Thus, they wouldn't have needed adjustment during the early part of it's life, and I'm pretty darn sure they weren't addressed in the last 50-60,000 miles.

So, assuming they were never done, here is what I found.  Out of 8 exhaust valves, all were still in spec, however, several were at the tight end.  All the intake valves were in the middle.  I could have left them alone, but since I was pulling the head and replacing the valve guide seals I decided to get all the  exhaust valves as close to the wide end of the spec as possible.  I wound up changing 4 exhaust shims.  Had to buy 3. 

On the 4 valve engines it's a royal pain in the ass to do the shims, about on a par with changing the clutch o-ring.  You need to pull the cams, and the timing chain to change the shims on this engine.  On the bright side, at least I was able to get the job done without needing any special tools.  Figure at least a day(a long one) start to finish.  I was lucky(!?) in that I was able to do it as part of a head reassembly.  Still, it's not something I want to do again soon.

My advice is to check them, record the clearances and store them.  Unless a valve has totally gone out of spec I would leave everything alone.  A complete check should take less than an hour start to finish.   If you absolutely have to do them, get a firm quote on having the shims changed from a reputable mechanic.  That should convince you that it is a job you might want to learn how to do.
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  • '91K100RS White/Blue
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'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #172 on: December 28, 2016, 05:29:14 AM »
Ok great thanks. I will check them at least.  Needless to say I don't have a valve feeler gauge, will any type do or should I be looking for a particular type/size/range?
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #173 on: December 28, 2016, 07:19:15 AM »
Ok great thanks. I will check them at least.  Needless to say I don't have a valve feeler gauge, will any type do or should I be looking for a particular type/size/range?
Don't you have a manual yet?
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #174 on: December 28, 2016, 07:51:11 AM »
Yes I do

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