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Offline iiXioM

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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2016, 02:41:02 AM »
I plan on tearing it down soon, hopefully the inside inside isn't too bad.
Why are you tearing it down—low compression values or what?

I figured tearing the bike down for a nice cleanup, wash off the surface rust and have parts repainted so the bike does look like it was driven by someone in the Mad Max movies. lol. That, and see if theres any maintenance needed inside the engine block itself. Maybe replace many of the seals, gaskets, etc etc. hardcore maintenance stuff.

I am with Tim Tyler. Part it out.  I had a 85 that I worked over, but it was running, good, no smoke, gas tank good.  Spent $2K getting it back to good shape, not pristine by any means, just reliable.  You will spend a lot of money on that thing and you can buy them in PNW for $100-$2500 in great running shape.  Cut your loses. Just my Opinion.

I hear ya on that. Thing is, i got this bike for free. My buddy went and had a family and kids so the bike was neglected, so now its in my hands. It was reliable when he used it nearly daily. I'm fine with dumping a little bit of money into it since i inherited it, and it gives me a side project to tinker with. By no means do i think i'll be able to tour across the country with it (unless i really get into all the innards.) All else fails and the motor is trash, it looks like i can procure new ones on ebay for about $200 with 40k or so miles.

Looks like it came out of a swamp. And on this basis be careful what you clean - if you want to keep THAT look.

I hope you changed the oil. False economy not to.

The pinging maybe the antibacklash spring but let the bike get to operating temp first. It is not a small job. Turning the silver idle screw (yeah the one with blue loctite on it) to increase revs to approx 1000 or 1100 may lessen the noise (record how many turns you did for later). I saw someone with a microphone go round the motor and measure the noisiest section (ie output shaft behind alternator) which is best method I have seen.

The whine is normal.

Best to flush the tank. Once dry, I vacuumed mine to remove grit. replace fuel filter - doesn't need to be BMW brand. Check this forum for alternative BMW parts.

Clean and gap plugs (0.6 - 0.7mm), check the fuel lines for cracks and replace (inside tank needs submersible hose not standard fuel hose). The fuel in under pressure - don't want any leaks and fires. Check and clean air filter (mark the outside edge and top before removing. Easily put back in wrong).

Allow to get to operating temp and check that fan comes on. The bearing in these is a bush I believe and can go bad. Haven't had mine out.

injectors are probably dirty but check you can check the spray from each by removing the FI rack and keep injectors in place. This is not accurate. Also check on youtube for others' suggestions. Caution: injectors may be hard to get out. Clean the area around them. Crud will build up around body and may significantly hinder removal. Some spray might help (WD 40 et.al) but don't then let it fall into cylinders. Use a air compressor to clear beforehand. Vice grips (or similar) can be used to grab the metal body (quite robust) as I had to on number 1 injector. O-ring and pintle cap may be damaged and require servicing ... see post on 4 hole pintle on this forum.

Anyway your bike seems to be firing on all cylinders ... maybe leave well enough along for the next week. Just change that oil. And don't rev the shit out of it (up and down up and down) when cold - build the revs gradually and give it a chance to settle and come up to temp. Once the fan comes on then rev it if you must. As we all know motors don't mind being used - just not abused. And this is the huge appeal of K bikes - that quality motor. Look after it.

A manometer is a useful item for balancing throttles - assuming all else is fine... unlikely because rubber hardens as it ages (dehydration??) and air-tight seal is accordingly compromised.

You might have fluked a bike that under the dried green slime / residue might be quite roadworthy (something we are all unlikely to agree on - 'cept that it needs to be safe)

Keep the pics coming

Regards

Guy

I don't think im going to go for a nasty new orleans swamp monster look. I think after i get it working well I'll get it painted a nice clean white, with a powder coated frame black so it looks very fresh and BMW-esque. I may pull off the front end and turn it into a naked k100 standard, or go up to an RS. Leaning towards the naked bike as far as look.

I didnt change the oil when i got it cranked, so i only let it run for a few minutes. I full plan on draining all fluids and replacing before leaving it running for any extended time that will allow the whole block to warm up.

Hopefully in a few weeks I'll get around to cleaning the hell out of it. I'm not entirely sold on getting into the motor itself for advanced maintenance, but i know it may have to be done. I definitely want to do the basic stuff though. And i've got a local BMW moto shop that is very popular (not dealership) who said they'll clean up my injectors. They'd definitely have the capability to deal with that more than i would.

I also noticed today that the front brake lever is essentially shot. no feedback at all, so ill probably be cleaning up some brake parts soon.

Thanks for all your help guys, its definitely much appreciated. can't wait to run this brick on the road again. It's been a while since i have.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2016, 07:58:10 AM »
Please start a Projects thread with this adventure. It doesn't belong in the Maintenance category and currently there is no section for "Dream Work."

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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2016, 08:20:31 AM »
Here's an applicable vid showing testing technique.


Here's the [whole enchilada, patio style, for your delectation. Yours has one additional cylinder, so how much harder can it be?


If it were my bike, I'd start with dishwashing detergent and water, compression and vacuum testing, then proceed like this.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2016, 10:53:45 AM »
I do have some parts you can have at for a price  :deal:

- 13mm Front Master-Brake Cyl with the accelerator thing (I need my coffee okay!?!) also comes with a grip too incase you want.
- Triple-trees/Forks etc.
- Front rear snowflake rims
- Front Calipers
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2016, 05:00:16 AM »
Dismantle the brake master cylinder, free and clean the piston. Not a hard job. .Clean with brake fluid (probably the only time old fluid is useful - normally thrown out)

Don't buy new (previous post with offer of parts noted) until you have inspected bore, rubbers and action.

And don't waste time looking for new piston rubbers - couldn't find them anywhere (well here in SE Aust)... $193 later... Buggered My Wallet ... Bruised My Will (to live)

Has anyone found rubbers to put on front master cylinder piston??
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2016, 08:44:05 AM »
Has anyone found rubbers to put on front master cylinder piston??
Beemerboneyard has a piston with new seals and washer. 50 USD
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2016, 02:22:37 PM »
Vespa I bought two kits from the Beemer Boneyard for less than one from here, and that included freight. I find it cheaper most times to get OEM parts from Beemer Boneyard, or from UK Motorworks or Motobins. I only buy local when I need parts in a hurry.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2016, 03:32:08 PM »
Yeah yeah ... rub it in.

I suppose I thought that I "would have it on the road very soon" and needed the part NOW!
and went local (insert unhappy face here or anyone of Laitch's pallet (nay ... WAREHOUSE) of imogees)

So now I've got a good second hand piston which I WONT bother to put for sale.

The internet has totally undermined the captive audience / market ... if you've got time (and know it)

Took my bike in for road registration attempt 2. Leaking fork seal (which I knew about and forgot to wipe before he looked at it). Either I go elsewhere and wipe or I change it this weekend. Fork slide is a bit rough and the seals are old. Bandaid solution to be employed.

Will keep you posted and hopefully pic from somewhere exotic ... like broken down somewhere isolated. Will stay local for a while so I can call my wife to bring the ute (pickup) to collect.

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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2016, 04:05:24 PM »
Try Johnnys homemade fork seal cleaner worked well on a mates bike. It's posted. I have an advantage a mate bought about 1 1/2 K75's in bits but missing all bodywork and I can borrow bits while I am waiting.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2016, 04:25:38 PM »
I suppose I thought that I "would have it on the road very soon" and needed the part NOW!
and went local (insert unhappy face here or anyone of Laitch's pallet (nay ... WAREHOUSE) of imogees)
I cannot take credit for them, Guy. The credit belongs to the world famous MOTOBRICK.COM's creator and the stewards thereof.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2016, 04:25:57 PM »
take it apart learn everything you can about it clean clean clean put it together and bring it to life   dont be afraid os so many on here of doing the work  its all worth it when you hear it run and say TADAAAAAAAAAAA I DID THIS AND IT IS GOOD   good luck and best wishes and safe fun riding miles to you
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2016, 11:00:04 PM »
I do have some parts you can have at for a price  :deal:

- 13mm Front Master-Brake Cyl with the accelerator thing (I need my coffee okay!?!) also comes with a grip too incase you want.
- Triple-trees/Forks etc.
- Front rear snowflake rims
- Front Calipers


I'd like to know more about the 13mm Master you offered up .... including the grip!
Email or post pictures, I could use some spares to compare.

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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2016, 10:31:32 AM »
take it apart learn everything you can about it clean clean clean put it together and bring it to life   dont be afraid os so many on here of doing the work  its all worth it when you hear it run and say TADAAAAAAAAAAA I DID THIS AND IT IS GOOD   good luck and best wishes and safe fun riding miles to you

That's my thoughts on this project. I have no problem taking this thing completely apart and cleaning it. I picked up a ton of vinegar and baking soda to use for cleaning all the grime off the aluminum. Next up, I need to get a roll of wiring so I can fix up the electricals too when work begins (hopefully very very soon).
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2016, 02:58:43 PM »
So I've been reading a lot over the past few days and I've noticed the general consensus is to check compression and check/adjust valve clearance. If compression is low or bad, then tearing the motor down is needed to fix valves or piston rings. I don't have a compression tool handy so I will order one. Are these one size fit all sort of things or is there a specific adapter I'd need for this test?
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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2016, 04:43:10 PM »
Some just have a tapered rubber bung on the end which you press into the plug hole and keep pushing while you check the compression. The better ones have a range of adaptors which screw into the plug hole. Take an old spark plug with you and make sure you get the correct adaptor with the gauge. When you check the compression you need to have the throttle wide open. Readings should also be even between cylinders give or take 5- 10 Psi.
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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2016, 05:03:10 PM »
Sweet that points me in the right direction. Time to hit up Amazon. Thanks!
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2016, 08:34:13 PM »
You will probably need a separate adapter for the compression tester.  Most of them don't have the correct thread for the special size BMW plugs. Not a big deal, they only cost a few bucks.

I don't think you need to take the time to do a tear down of the engine.  Beyond all the fluids, splines and plugs just check the timing chain, valve clearance, and all the rubber bits for cracks and holes .  Drain the oil and do a flush with a new filter(an AC Delco PF53 is cheap and works well), three quarts of 15w 40 oil and a bottle of Seafoam.  Run this in the engine for 20 minutes or so and do another oil change and filter with synthetic and you're good to go.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2016, 09:09:34 PM »
I got mine as a set about 10 years ago it didn't have the right adapter. I made one out of an old spark plug. However a mate scored one from a flea market, new in a box for $5.00 with a correct adapter. Unfortunately not branded. I missed it, he scored.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2016, 11:19:25 PM »
M12 x 1.25 is the adaptor needed.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2016, 12:43:03 AM »
I just picked up this one from amazon, has a 12mm, 14mm, and 18mm adapter. I figured one of these would work and I guess i was right with the 12mm!

http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3612-Compression-Tester-Piece/dp/B000EVU89I?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

score. Either way I'll be tearing the bike down to get the frame powder coated and i noticed i do have the old center stand with the open ends. It's definitely going to have to get replaced. Time to read up on valve adjustments.
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2016, 08:19:56 PM »
Gotta love amazon prime. Got the compression tester in today and just couldn't wait. Got everything up and ready and tested the compression on all cylinders.  Cyl 1, 3, and 4 got above 130psi, and cyl 2 is at 125.

Yesterday i went ahead and checked the oil, it was near empty. filled it up and ran it for a few minutes. it seems to be burning oil and smoke is coming out bad out from under the bike and near the exhaust. it seems i have sprung a bit of a leak. the entire underside of the bike is caked up in oil gnarly oil.  Looks like I'll be checking the timing chain, valves, and plenty of gaskets. Oh, and a new gas cap....i couldnt get the cap reopened and somehow stuck...so i ended up getting angry and using two flathead screwdrivers and a knife and shattered the inner plastics of the cap. Now i have to watch beemer boneyard like a hawk for one.

Go figure. lol
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2016, 09:16:50 PM »
Hmmmm...........you coulda drilled a 1/4 hole half inch forward of the key slot, stuck a skinny screw driver in to trip the retention arm.and the cap pops open. Then just bung the hole. Your compression numbers are good, though, and you can pressure wash the gunk off with details-gunk. You are on your way!
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Re: Restoring an '85 K100 to...something.
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2016, 10:54:39 PM »
Hmmmm...........you coulda drilled a 1/4 hole half inch forward of the key slot, stuck a skinny screw driver in to trip the retention arm.and the cap pops open. Then just bung the hole. Your compression numbers are good, though, and you can pressure wash the gunk off with details-gunk. You are on your way!

Yeah, i probably could have drilled a hole into it..but i hulk-raged a little bit. No more of that, though. Raging gets expensive! lol

I was always told not to pressure wash these bikes as they could introduce water into the electrical equipment. Is this true?
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