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Offline Turbo224

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90 K75S Cafe Build
« on: April 28, 2016, 06:14:16 PM »
Bought this 90 K75S a few weeks ago and thought I would do a build thread. The plan is to do some sort of cafe/street fighter bike, i'll sort of just start building and see what I end up with. I found this bike on my local classifies and couldn't resist. Fuel injection, single sided swing arm, German engineering, excellent condition, cheap. What's not to love? It has 25K on the clock, the previous owner has owned it since 92. The original parts that I remove will slowly make their way to eBay to help fund my project and hopefully be used to keep other enthusiasts bikes looking nice.

First question. I am going to lube the drive shaft spline first thing as I know that's one of the most important things for these bikes. I have heard that the factory BMW lube isn't very good, is there an aftermarket lubricant I should be using? Do I just need to lube the back end of the shaft, or should I remove the entire shaft and lube the front splines as well?
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 06:58:40 PM »
You'll find a lot of technical information here that can help you with your project. Look under Drive Train for Dr Hubbard's lube explanation as an overview.

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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 07:57:02 PM »
Guard dog lube
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 09:39:32 PM »
Guard dog makes a lube and a paste, the paste has a higher moly content but the lube is recommended. http://www.beemerboneyard.com/gdmoly2oz.html Honda Moly 60 worked well but is NLA
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 10:34:05 PM »
Boron paste.  :2thumbup:  Don't be a slave to convention.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 11:04:41 PM »
Honda paste is still available but has changed it's name to Honda M77 assembly paste.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2016, 11:37:41 PM »
it's all starting to make sense now
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 02:12:03 AM »
OMG I'm definitely going to hell, I'll have to purchase an air conditioner for the brick. What with the NGK leads and the 666 I am DOOMED.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2016, 03:03:17 AM »
I still don't understand the desire to take a beautiful bike in great condition and then destroy it. It is like already attractive people going the plastic surgery route and ending up looking far worse than they started. Why not just ride it, enjoy it as is and work to preserve a great piece of motorcycle design?
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 03:34:20 AM »
+1 Glacial I love my K75S, some bikes deserve to be left alone unmolested. Custom bikes give a source of fairing parts which are becoming rare.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 09:58:39 AM »
After the K1, I think the K75s has the most potential as a collectible. I also think it's the best-looking of the whole K-bike range (totally subjective, of course). It's the only bike in the range to get the pure "S" (not RS) designation by BMW.

So, while this lovely low-mileage, K75s is a an unfortunate start-point.... I call dibs on the windshield and rear rack.  :neener:  Anybody got a spare top-case laying around?

@Turbo: Just an idea... maybe you could sell the K75s as-is, and buy a K75 standard for less money. That might also help fund your project.  Or ride it for a while and see how you like it. I confess that I bought mine (also cheaply) as a beater/commuter. But gosh-dangit.... she had hidden charms and now I really like her. Had I known that in advance, I would have waited for a really sweet one like you got. Now I'm mid-way through a restoration and having a lot of fun with it. Want to play with the appearance a little? Ditch the fork reflectors and tint the turn signal lenses - it does wonders for streamlining the look of the bike.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 01:44:39 PM »
Scud you have me intrigued could you please post pictures showing the tinted lens? A full shot of the bike would also be nice, and also what product you used. Could you do this in a separate post as I don't wish to hijack this one.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 04:22:14 PM »
I still don't understand the desire to take a beautiful bike in great condition and then destroy it. It is like already attractive people going the plastic surgery route and ending up looking far worse than they started. Why not just ride it, enjoy it as is and work to preserve a great piece of motorcycle design?

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, right? Personally, with the factory plastics on the bike, I think it's quite odd looking. Keep in mind i'm an outsider to the community, so I don't have an emotional attachment to the bike. The longer you are involved with a certain bike/car you will start to appreciate things that you may not have before. Things that may have been quirky or strange start to become endearing after a while. I have had a love affair with the 80's Shelby-Dodge cars for a ling time, and I feel the exact same way about those cars as you do about the K bikes.

In the end its all about supply and demand. If there were a huge demand for these particular bikes, they wouldn't be for sale for so cheap and I would probably be riding something different. That's what has happened in the Shelby-Dodge community. Even though they were limited production, Chrysler built a TON of Shelby inspired turbo cars. Now there are just so many cars available that need to be "saved" from the wrecking yards, but the demand is just too low. If someone really wants to "save" the bike from my hands, i'd listen to any offer from someone who wants to buy it. But other than cutting the rear of the frame, what is typically done to a cafe bike that cant easily be undone?

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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 04:58:00 PM »
I suspect that the K bikes are at that awkward stage where they are just old enough to be "old" but not old enough to be "vintage".

Yes, they are cheap because the brick engine is so strange.  The resultant low price due to the ugly duckling nature of the brick is what makes them so attractive to those looking for a cheap machine to modify, but in the end, that is what dooms the value of what they build.  Cafe bikes by definition are carbureted singles or twins, with spoke wheels, a five wire harness and a British nameplate.  The K bikes have none of that, and as a result won;t survive in the cafe bike marketplace.

As much as I decry the cafe craze, I must in the end be grateful for the "builders" who are turning these fine machines into future derelicts.  By making them uncomfortable to ride and overly hip stylingwise they virtually guarantee that these bikes will be left for dead in about three years.  If we are lucky, they will be abandoned to an indoor space away from the sun and rain to collect a lot of dirt and rat shit providing a future source of somewhat useable driveline spares.  In addition, the agressive  thinning of the herd will make the value of well maintained bricks that much greater when they finally achieve vintage status.

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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 05:02:58 PM »
Lovely Bike Turbo! So what have you plannedd for your cafe? Do you know what you want to do to it yet?

I just abought  K100 myself and am also doing a cafe build. a lot of work ahead of me but I'm really enjoying it so far!
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 05:09:49 PM »
Very well said. I actually love the boxy look of the motor on these bikes, that's one of the primary reasons I think they looks so cool naked. Honestly to me these bikes make more sense as a street fighter look which tend to have more aggressive styling and sharp angles. As you said, they really make a poor platform for a cafe bike due to the shear bulk of the motor/trans. As I mentioned in my first post, the single sided swing arm and fuel injection are two pretty cool features for an older bike that's affordable. For me I am building this bike because I love to build things and this bike makes a perfect platform for what I want to do. Odds are I will have fun with it for a few years and then move on to other projects.   
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 05:15:02 PM »
Lovely Bike Turbo! So what have you plannedd for your cafe? Do you know what you want to do to it yet?

I just abought  K100 myself and am also doing a cafe build. a lot of work ahead of me but I'm really enjoying it so far!

Nothing extreme. I'm going to add a new seat/tail section, remove the whole front fairing/headlight/speedo combo and go with a some smaller units.That's pretty much the extent of it. So other than the rear frame being cut, the purists can rest assured the bike won't be "destroyed".
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 06:48:33 PM »
I have been gathering parts before I start tearing into the bike and I had a question about using LEDs. I'll be using LED blinkers and an LED tail light. I know I need to use some load resistors for the blinkers to avoid the hyper flash. Do I need to do the same thing for the rear brake light?
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2016, 07:32:00 PM »
You should be fine with LED brake light - whether it's a replacement bulb or a whole new LED unit.

The problem with LED signals is because of the flasher units (which brake lights don't have) - the LED signals don't draw enough power to get the OEM flashers' attention. This is, obviously, a non-scientific explanation.

I just put LEDs on a different bike. FWIW, the LED signals in the back work fine with the OEM flasher and incandescent signals up front - so you can mix them.
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90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2016, 10:18:31 PM »
For turn signals you have three options for installing LED bulbs

1) install resistors
2) modify the BMU by cutting a trace and will no longer hyperflash
3) purchase and replace BMU with Kisan signal minder SM-6

You can find references to number 2 if you search

IMHO 1 is a bad choice

Always use LED bulbs of color of the lens, white LED will be very washed out.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2016, 10:34:11 PM »
For turn signals you have three options for installing LED bulbs

1) install resistors
2) modify the BMU by cutting a trace and will no longer hyperflash
3) purchase and replace BMU with Kisan signal minder SM-6

You can find references to number 2 if you search

IMHO 1 is a bad choice

Always use LED bulbs of color of the lens, white LED will be very washed out.

Why is 1 a bad option?
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90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2016, 12:46:13 AM »
Heat, still use as much electricity, etc
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2016, 06:21:10 AM »
You will have to modify the BMU if you use LED brake lights. Nothing needs to be modified if you use LED running lights.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2016, 04:30:03 PM »
Thanks for this further discussion. I had to look up BMU (Bulb Monitoring Unit). I had never heard of such a thing... and therefore my earlier advice, based on experience with other bikes, should be ignored.
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Re: 90 K75S Cafe Build
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 02:36:07 PM »
Hey Turbo! look forward to seeing more of your build. I don't plan on building a Cafe but I wanted mine to have more of a street fighter look. Love the way naked bricks look so Keep us posted.
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