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Offline Mongrel

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Couple battery questions
« on: February 29, 2016, 01:32:09 PM »
Well, it's time for yet another battery for The Bike What Eats Batteries.  :musicboohoo:

In the past I've bought Yuasa 53030's and sometimes cheap knockoffs of same. Longest I ever got was three years out of a proper Yuasa. Most only last a year or two.

For years I thought it was my fault due to periods where I wasn't riding it (but not usually longer than 3 weeks), waiting too long to put it on winter charge (I have no outlet to hookup a charger in my spot in the parking garage), improper top-offs (too much/too little), or just having a cheapass trickle charger. But I've been good about things in the past 2-3 years and have a nicer trickle charger, one with built in self-regulation. In general it just feels like there's absolutely zero margin for error, that I have to baby my batteries perfectly or they will die in only a year or two.

I think what may be happening is something is causing the batteries to get very low on fluid while on the bike. I've brought batteries in to charge them only to find they've started to boil, but this happened with both chargers. I really don't think it's the charger, I think they're low before I even bring them in. Hard to tell with the last two batteries as they're opaque and I didn't crack them to check, but they had no slop at the vent as a full battery might sometimes do when you tilt it trying to get it off the bike and felt a little lighter? I didn't think too much about it at the time, as it wasn't too noticeable, but in retrospect it obviously would have been better to crack it, do a visual check, and top up if needed.

So questions:

1) I want to test the voltage regulator to see what the output is, but are there other things I might want to check? Also, should I test this entirely before buying a new battery, if possible, or can I get a new battery and test the bike a bit without it causing permanent damage to the new battery (assuming something is wrong with the regulator).

2) I can get a new Odyssey PC680 AGM for only a little more than the cost of a Yuasa 53030 wet ($155 CAD for the Yuasa, $180 CAD for the Odyssey), but apparently it's tall and I would have to replace the current connectors and bracket. Does anyone have the exact height of the PC680 or a pic of it in a K battery tray? Kind of hoping to get a sense of how much cramming I need to do.

3) There's a apparently an alternative to the PC680 that came out 3 years ago, the Motobatt MBTX20U (also and AGM - they're basically clones of the Odyssey line). I can get them at the same price as the Odyssey, but they're much closer to OEM size and have 4 electrodes. I've seen some threads on other motorbike/powersports forums where people say the Motobatts are fine, but nothing too specific and was wondering if anyone here had tried the Motobatt?
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Offline Laitch

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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 01:44:19 PM »
Does anyone have the exact height of the PC680 or a pic of it in a K battery tray?
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 01:54:50 PM »
There are bunches of agm's that will work.  There wad a recent thread on this.

My build thread had pics of pc680 in my bike.
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 02:02:31 PM »
I've had a good run with Deka AGM batteries. Eight years out of the first and five out of the second. They require the clamp to be modified slightly battery is taller but the cables are fine. I would stick with AGM batteries they don't require as much maintenance. Currently not using a AGM battery due to supply problems at the time of replacement, but will definitely use them again.
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 02:34:21 PM »
I just use cheap lead acid batteries. I use a 30% online coupon code for Advance Auto Parts and pick up in store. If an expensive battery is just gonna last 2-3 years you might as well get that much out of a cheap battery
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 03:34:06 PM »
I am running Scorpion AGM batteries that I get from BatteryStuff.com

This one has been in my K75RT for 2 years and almost 20,000 miles and still acts like it's brand new.  Throw it on a smart trickle charge overnight every couple weeks during the winter.  $76 and free two day shipping.  It's only 22 Amp Hours, so if you're smart enough to not turn on all your lights for an hour or so before you try to start the engine you won't have any trouble cranking your brick down to 10 degrees.. 
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 03:41:17 PM »
Motorcycle Innovations in Pickering sells lots of AGM batteries that fit our application.  The Dekka ETX16L (CA$119.00) is recommended and you can pick up.  Martyman bought his there and told me that Mike is a really nice guy to do business with.  You might also look at the Yuasa GYZ20HL (CA$149), the Odyssey PC680-P (CA$169) or the one I'm using on my K75 now Yuasa YXT20HL-BS (CA$119).

You can test the regulator with the existing battery or with the new one.  You're looking to put a DC voltmeter across the battery terminals and measure the voltage between just off-idle to about 4-5000 RPM.  It should vary, somewhere between 13V near idle to 14.8V maximum at 4-5000 RPM.  If you have more than 14.8, then you're risking ruining the battery.  If you have less than 13V, you risk draining the battery in use.  If you want, I have an oscilloscope where we can look at the ripple coming off your alternator to see if there is a large AC component that is ruining the battery.
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 04:11:48 PM »
Sounds great.

Thanks to Rob in particular for the recommendations on those locally-available and MUCH cheaper AGM batteries. Plus if it's in Pickering that will be easier for me to pick it up (the other places were all Mississauga/West End)!

I might take you up on the oscilloscope offer if basic tests don't show anything wonky.
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 02:19:36 PM »
Motorcycle Innovations in Pickering sells lots of AGM batteries that fit our application.  The Dekka ETX16L (CA$119.00) is recommended and you can pick up.  Martyman bought his there and told me that Mike is a really nice guy to do business with.  You might also look at the Yuasa GYZ20HL (CA$149), the Odyssey PC680-P (CA$169) or the one I'm using on my K75 now Yuasa YXT20HL-BS (CA$119).

You can test the regulator with the existing battery or with the new one.  You're looking to put a DC voltmeter across the battery terminals and measure the voltage between just off-idle to about 4-5000 RPM.  It should vary, somewhere between 13V near idle to 14.8V maximum at 4-5000 RPM.  If you have more than 14.8, then you're risking ruining the battery.  If you have less than 13V, you risk draining the battery in use.  If you want, I have an oscilloscope where we can look at the ripple coming off your alternator to see if there is a large AC component that is ruining the battery.

Bit of an older post but I wanted to ask if that 14v that is coming directly from the alternator can be lowered by running the headlight/cooling fan?

I ask this because my antigravity battery may have been drained because it was only charging at 13.3v @ 5000rpm. Also when the cooling fan is off (I have an override turned always-on currently) and the headlight off it jumps to 13.8v.

I am curious to wonder what might be the issue here.
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 03:41:07 PM »
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3) MBTX20U

I've owned for 3.5 years, never trickled charged it. Parked in all weather outside in aberdeen for most of its life and generally ridden all year with spotlights on so possibly had a harder life than most. Recently tested and still performing as it should. Would buy again well maybe the black one.
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Re: Couple battery questions
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2016, 04:40:03 PM »
one thing to remember is follow the installation instructions that come with the battery referring to charging at a low amperage for a set # of hours  before installation / failure to do this results in a shorter bat life  I consider 3 years on a small battery a good life and replace as cheap insurance and to avoid pushing walking or being stranded but thats me   Its also why ive never been stuck due to a battery   my safety and the bikes security are worth much much more than a new battery   just my thoughts
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