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Offline andwew

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'87 K75 battery issues?
« on: December 04, 2014, 07:09:36 PM »
Hi everyone-

I've noticed a pattern with my newly purchased K75. And that's the battery not being strong enough to start the engine.
First of all, does it make sense that 1 or 2 false starts would drain my battery so quickly? Because I think that is what's happening.

I forget to put on the "choke" and it starts up and dies in an instant and then the battery doesn't have enough to start it up again... I've also been commuting short distances on the bike. Not enough for the alternator to charge?

I get five or so short-ish rides before the battery dies again after charging it.

It seems my alternator is charging well from what I've tested with my multimeter.

I know there's talk about upgrading 35amp alternator to the 50amp. Would this help?

My moto is pretty stripped down. A "cafe racer" if you will, so it's not like i have a bunch of accessories draining the battery.

It's possible the battery might just be bad. Even though the guy I bought it from said it was a new one (you never know i guess).

With that being said, what's the best possible battery I could get for my 87 k75?

Nothing worse than wanting to ride and your moto wont start up.  :dunno

Any insight would be appreciated!
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2014, 07:34:36 PM »
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2014, 09:01:44 PM »
Go for that Odyssey PC680, that is THE battery!
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Offline Motorhobo

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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2014, 05:19:06 AM »
Or go to your local battery warehouse distributor and get any cheapo battery that fits for $50 but don't run your bike with a dead or dying battery. Bad mojo, very bad mojo.

Be prepared to replace that cheapo battery annually too or get a battery tender or do what chaos said or both.
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Past: 1974 Honda 550/4 (first bike), 1994 K75 (sold), 1995 K75 ABS (parts bike), Sidecar Dog & Best Bud 'Bo' - RIP

Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2014, 03:09:34 PM »
This one has been starting my K75RT every day from April to the end of November and hasn't missed a beat.  End of season load test shows that it still throws a lot of amps at the starter.

http://www.batterystuff.com/powersports-batteries/sYT51913-22.html

Read the reviews.  Sounds like a pretty good battery for a good price.  Super fast free shipping too!
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Offline andwew

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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2014, 12:48:05 AM »
Thanks guys. Ya'll are the best.

Went ahead and bought the  Odyssey Battery PC680...
Feeling good about it.

@motorhobo - curious what you mean by bad mojo... as in I'll damage the bike? or just... bad "mojo"?
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2014, 07:03:41 AM »
Running a Kbike with low amps can have a lot of repercussions...do a forum search on battery to learn more.

I've had a low amp battery cause flooding because there wasn't enough power to generAte a spark, I've had a low bAttery disable my ABS, I've had a low amp battery I directly make all systems fail due to possibly affecting power at the main ECU plug, I've read about he potential for permanent severe damage to relays and other electrics but have been fortunate in that this hasn't yet happened to me. So by bad mojo I mean -- be smarter than me and don't run your motobrick on a battry with low CCA.
1994/1995 K75 ABS Frankenbike: original engine 136k miles, frame from Gary Weaver (RIP), 173k miles -- Current Odometer: 198k miles
1994 K75 since 2013, 82,000 mi (19k mine) w/California Sidecar Friendship II Sidecar & Black Lab 'Miss B' - RIP

Past: 1974 Honda 550/4 (first bike), 1994 K75 (sold), 1995 K75 ABS (parts bike), Sidecar Dog & Best Bud 'Bo' - RIP

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To Buy or Not to Buy...1987 K75 with 70,000 Miles/ 110,000 km on Clock
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2014, 03:37:09 PM »
Hi folks,
New to the forum. Thanks for any replies. I've been eyeing the above with a mind to buy one of these K bikes. Something about the whacky look and sound of them appeals to me. I told a long time rider friend of mine and he said "forget it". These old Beemers handled poorly, had lousy transmissions, are expensive to fix, low power, etc.. He said "if you're looking for a vintage bike get something that will appreciate". He has a 20 year old Triumph Daytona in mint condition and has ridden a variety of Japanese bikes for over 40 years. I guess what I'm asking is how risky is it to buy a K75 with this kind of mileage on it in terms of it being a potential money pit or minefield or repairs? And I realize asking on this forum may produce a little bias but I bet nobody knows these bikes better. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thank you
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2014, 03:43:25 PM »
Hey kris-

Haha I like how you replied within this topic about my battery...
I've had my k75 for about a month. I love it.

Handles really well, sounds great, feels great, and only troubles I've had have been my fault.

I've come from old hondas but I'm LOVING this bike
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2014, 06:02:38 PM »
Thanks Andrew. What's the mileage/ history of your bike? Do you mind if I ask what you paid for it? Did you check things like spline shaft and head bearings before you bought? Any oil leaks? I've read that the clutch can be pretty stiff on these bikes. Another thing my buddy was on about was frame flex through hard cornering/ curves, etc.. I'm not that kind of rider so not really worried about it. I just don't want to buy into a basket full of headaches. I bought a 2004 Kawasaki Concours in September. I've put about 2400 km on her since and can hardly wait to get on her every time. Just thought the Bricks were kind of funky machines. Chris Harris, formerly of Affordablebeemerservicess, says he doesn't work on anything past 2004 (I think). He thinks Beemer quality has gone way down on their newer machines. I know there is a lot of chatter out there and I ain't expecting perfection...just a fun to ride, reliable, "she puts a smile on my face kinda bike".

What do you like about your Brick? What did you have before/ other bikes you have now?

Thanks
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2014, 06:13:56 PM »
Andrew,
Sorry, didn't fully absorb your reply. You already answered some of the questions. I would still like to know how well you scrutinized the bike before buying, was is "certified...safetied" when you bought or simply an 'as is' sale. And what you paid?....if you don't mind. And, ya', I probably should've posted as a fresh topic but I'm not too savvy with these sites!!
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  • 1986 K100RT (Heinz) 2004 Kawasaki Concours (Eddy) 2007 Moto Guzzi Breva 1100 (Linda) Previous: 1968 Honda CD175 1973 Kawasaki S2350 1975 Honda CB550K
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Re: To Buy or Not to Buy...1987 K75 with 70,000 Miles/ 110,000 km on Clock
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2014, 07:49:01 PM »
Hi folks,
 I told a long time rider friend of mine and he said "forget it". These old Beemers handled poorly, had lousy transmissions, are expensive to fix, low power, etc.. He said "if you're looking for a vintage bike get something that will appreciate". He has a 20 year old Triumph Daytona in mint condition and has ridden a variety of Japanese bikes for over 40 years.

Tell him I said he's a moron. My k75 has been my daily rider for nearly 15 years and has 99746 miles. I see high mileage Kbikes on the road all the time. How many 20 year old Bonnevilles do I encounter on the road with +100k miles on them? Never seen one. He's just wankin out his mouth and doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

The only motorcycle that appreciates is one that sits in the garage and doesn't get ridden. You want a museum piece, get a vintage Brit bike. You want to ride, get a Kbike.

Kris -- look in the Lieberry on this forum for Kbike buyers check info. Also look on Chris Harris' youtube channel -- for info about the Kbike preinspection and what to look for. 'Certified' is something you will only get from a dealer, but if you're expecting a dealer to support you with your Kbike then you should have very deep pockets. The strength of the Kbike is the fact that it's simple enough to work on yourself and has a a solid support network of riders who have been publishing technical info for decades, most notably here and on ibmwr.org. Most dealers don't have service personnel that understand the nuances of the older Kbikes since dealers focus on sales of new BMWs and all the old wrenches who worked at dealer shops when Kbikes were new have either retired, moved on, or been pushed out by the bmw business model. So if you're not prepared to do the work yourself, the earlier 2 and 4 valve k series is probably not a good fit for you.

The clutch is is stiff because it's a dry clutch like what's in a car, not a wet clutch as is in most motos.

Mileage means nothing to a Kbike. Book value on a k75 is about $2500 regardless of year. I purchased a 1995 k75 without ABS off craigslist in 2013 in excellent visual condition for $2k with 63k miles and did the service it needed it get it in fine running shape myself with negligible parts expense. So if you do the research upfront you can score arguably one of the best-engineered motorcycles ever built that will serve you well for decades for very little $$.

There's my sales pitch -- from the mouth of a diehard motobricker.
1994/1995 K75 ABS Frankenbike: original engine 136k miles, frame from Gary Weaver (RIP), 173k miles -- Current Odometer: 198k miles
1994 K75 since 2013, 82,000 mi (19k mine) w/California Sidecar Friendship II Sidecar & Black Lab 'Miss B' - RIP

Past: 1974 Honda 550/4 (first bike), 1994 K75 (sold), 1995 K75 ABS (parts bike), Sidecar Dog & Best Bud 'Bo' - RIP

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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2014, 03:05:06 AM »
Kris, I have just bought a K75s. did the spline lube yesterday and need to do head stem bearings next. 129,000km on the clock and I don't recon there are too many issues. While I haven't ridden this one yet, I have time on several K100's.
You have a concours C10 …. I have a concours C10 or GTR1000 as they are known here in Oz. They have frame flex….lots of it. The K-bike doesn't. 
Sofar the brick has proved easy to work on….. except, who was the dickhead that came up with the idea of routing the bloody brake line through the head stem ? mumble mumble...

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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2014, 08:30:02 AM »
Gents: thanks so much for taking the time. My buddy can go off half-cocked. He drives Chevies and you likely won't ever see me drive one. I've had problems with domestic built cars over the years. So I guess we each have our own stories. Thank you, Motorhobo, for such a thorough response. And thanks, Roadbandit, for your comments on the Kawi. I'm hoping to pick one up for $2000...built into that is the expectation that it will need something. That's ok. Most older things do. Chris Harris' videos are fantastic and I would feel comfortable taking on most of the stuff he does. As long as one of the bikes keeps me on the road if the other needs a little work I'm good. And they really are a pretty unique looking motorcycle! Happy trails boys and stay safe out there!
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2014, 12:14:52 PM »
Kris, I have had a '94 K75RT with 63k miles for 6 months now and have put 8k miles on it.  Total invested is under $4k including battery, rear tire, brake pads, complete fluid change, professional paint on some dinged fairing parts and some rubber bits.

I love this bike, and recently bought a '92 K100RS to keep it company.  I don't know if it is a peg dragger, but heck, I'm 66 and not that much of a thrill seeker.  She does respond well in the twistys, and the power is more than adequate to attract the attention of law enforcement even on the super slab.  Even with the fairing and large windshield she will accelerate smoothly to at least 95mph in 5th which I think is pretty decent for a 750cc touring bike.

Service is fairly straightforward on routine maintenance items.  The exception is the clutch splines which are about a one day job, and may be the reason your clutch has a hard pull.  I have read the mechanical horror stories about these bikes, but to be honest, so far both of mine seem to be trouble free.  I think they are like any other motor vehicle in that if you keep up with the maintenance schedule they will reliably get you home.  Yes, parts may be expensive from the dealer, but a week or two of watching eBay will turn up almost any part you may need at a greatly reduced price, and there are lists of substitute maintenance items that are readily available at local auto parts emporiums. 

One unusual thing about these bikes is that strangers feel comfortable coming up to me to say how nice it looks or tell me about their past Beemers.  Never had that happen when I had my Honda, while at least a dozen people have approached me last summer alone.  I dunno, but it seems like maybe the BMW badge lends some sort of respectability to the bike and some people are curious if it is actually made by the same company that makes the cars. 

All in all, the classic K's are nice bikes and great deals for the money.  I have been hooked and am now part of their cult following.  I think your friend is a fool.
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'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2014, 10:04:16 AM »
Thank you Gryph!
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Re: '87 K75 battery issues?
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2014, 12:01:48 PM »
You are more than welcome!
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'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

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'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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