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(One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:02:20 PM »
There are many reasons I do all my own spanner twirling, including but not limited to - cost/time/trust/quality.

Here is a small documentation of one of those reasons......

To set the scene - I was merrily driving my 1998 300tdi Discovery to a job back in January when, all of a sudden, complete loss of any forward motion and a little bit of a 'brrrr' noise happened. Engine dead. Because of the 'feel' of it I suspected the timing belt had given up. A swift couple of phone calls later (client to advise I wouldn't be turning up and the Automobile Association for roadside assistance) and following a bit of a wait a chap with a tow truck turned up, 'loosely' confirmed my suspicions and transported me and the Land Rover home. For anyone not familiar with them, here is the car:



That afternoon I had a bit of a look - took off the rocker cover, removed the rocker shaft and found these:



Well, look at that, every single pushrod is no longer straight....

So, thinking "I'll get on that soon" I needed a car to get me to jobs. Handily, I happened to have another Land Rover just laying about doing nothing so I convinced it to pass an MOT and put it into (almost) daily service. Now, this one had taken me to France when I moved there, then it sat in the garden (for 4 years) while we sold the house. The petrol in the tank was no longer burny, at all, in fact when I put a match to some it refused to light... Anyway, new fuel, charged battery, away it went.  And here it is:



I digress somewhat.... Back to the point of the story.

Fast forward to earlier this week (yes, 'soon' turned out to be 8 months) I had more of a look at the Discovery engine. A couple of months ago I bought a complete engine (and some other bits) from a damaged Discovery and I'm quite glad I did as it turns out. Yes, I could have just swapped out the engine, but they are a bit very heavy and I have limited facilities so it was bought for 'parts' - reasoning that while it cost more than the £30 a set of pushrods would have cost, there might very well be more parts I needed.

So anyway, I took off the timing cover to see exactly what had happened. I was slightly shocked...

Belt:


The rest of the belt inside the case:


Camshaft pulley:


Injection pump pulley:


Tensioner:


Right, so all of those pulleys should be nice and smooth for a belt to run on and they aren't. There is a reason for that...

When a timing belt is fitted to these engines (which is the sole reason for removing the timing cover btw) it is tensioned using a dial/bendy torque wrench in a 1/2" square hole in the tensioner bracket. This hole should be nice and square:


That is not nice and square... Now, when I removed the timing cover 'something' fell out and hit my foot, here is 'something':


Yes, that's right, that is a 3/8"-1/2" converter. That has been rattling around inside the timing case making a mess of every (and I mean EVERY) moving part for the last 68,954 miles (belt replacement interval is 72,000 miles...) The last belt replacement is highlighted in my service history - which goes to show that a specialist service record means squat as far as quality of workmanship is concerned.

Oh yes, just for fun, because the idler pulley bearing was ruined by being hit about more than it really should be it meant the belt wasn't being held quite straight, which meant it could 'wander' about on the pulleys and do this to the crank pulley:


Soooo anyway, I then spent a couple of hours removing parts from the donor engine and putting them in mine, I set the valve clearances and did the timing:


Then, I sat down, had a cup of tea and steeled myself for turning the key.........................



Nice and smooth 740rpm idle :clap: Yay me.


So, to the crux of the title - one reason I never EVER let anyone else work on my vehicles for anything at all is that they tend to bugger it up in one way or another :neener:
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Re: (One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 05:07:47 PM »
Is this an overhead cam engine, or a pushrod engine with a timing belt?
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Re: (One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 05:27:54 PM »
Is this an overhead cam engine, or a pushrod engine with a timing belt?

Well, seeing as the pushrods are bent, and the timing belt snapped, I'm going to say it's a pushrod engine with a timing belt! :neener:

It's a 2.5l inline 4 turbo diesel --


I know it's a slightly unusual proposition - pushrod engines 'usually' have a timing chain, or a gear driven camshaft. Apparently, 'someone' thought that a chain was too noisy and gears are too expensive to produce...

Still, even if it did have a chain, a lump of tool steel bumping around would still have caused damage.
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Re: (One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 05:51:45 PM »
I really like the way all the pushrods bent symmetrically! Never seen a belt on a pushrod engine, leave it to the Brits to come up with that bright idea.  Surprised you didn't have any valve damage, they would have had to hit the pistons to bend the pushrods, right?
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Re: (One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 05:56:47 PM »
Yep, every single valve would have had to hit every single piston...

'Luckily', the valves are exactly in line with the piston travel, so the heads hit the crowns perfectly square. In an awful lot of engines the valves are angled so if they contact then they do so on an edge - leading to holes in pistons and either bent valves or snapped off valve heads.

I still have the pushrods, I am considering welding them to a big bolt or something to make a 'pushrod plant'. Oddly, I actually like the shape they have become :hehehe
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Re: (One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 06:31:05 PM »

'Luckily', the valves are exactly in line with the piston travel, so the heads hit the crowns perfectly square.

Maybe the valve train was specifically designed this way just for the event of a broken belt.
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Re: (One of) The reason(s) nobody else works on my vehicles
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 09:42:38 PM »
Only British Leyland...
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