how big is a gallon!

[jacksdad1963]

I don't use Red in my Isuzu Trooper 4x4, 3.0 turbo diesel....used veg oil is much nicer!  :2thumbup:

[Grim]

Yes. We pay  a fuel levy plus motor vehicle licence fee annually. Toll roads are now coming into the picture so that the gangsters who run the country can steal more money from the public

Sounds an awful lot like parts of Texas and Southern California. They're privatizing the roads we paid for with taxes.


In the San Francisco Bay area, I pay about $4.10 for brand name regular (for the cage), and about $4.30 for brand name premium for the bikes. A lot of the price difference is not tax, the oil companies just charge california more.

Nope. It's a combination of taxes and required by CA fuel mix. CA has the second highest State fuel tax in the nation only surpassed by NY. That's on top of the federal tax in the fuel of about 20 cents. So Ca has about 70 cents a gallon in taxes 

Here is fuel tax by state. http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-gasoline-tax-rates-2009-2013

Edit: another interesting link.
http://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas-overview/industry-economics/fuel-taxes

[argent brick]

Fuel is at $4.15 per gallon here in Northern California Wine Country as of today. It will drop a few pennies after the 4th of July has passed.

They claim it is due to the high cost of transportation, but I find that hard to believe because the refinery is less than 35 minutes away.  My daughter is at a college about 150 miles away and fuel is 25-30 cents less per gallon.

Greed and taxes. That is why my fuel cost so much. Just greed and taxes.

   

[jacksdad1963]

Am I right in saying that a US gallon is 6.66 Imperial Pints?
Obvious number to stick in the mind....of course a UK gallon is 8 pints or 4.54 litres. Yesterday I paid £1.325 per litre for standard petrol  :blackcloud:

[Grim]

Fuel is at $4.15 per gallon here in Northern California Wine Country as of today. It will drop a few pennies after the 4th of July has passed.

They claim it is due to the high cost of transportation, but I find that hard to believe because the refinery is less than 35 minutes away.  My daughter is at a college about 150 miles away and fuel is 25-30 cents less per gallon.

Greed and taxes. That is why my fuel cost so much. Just greed and taxes.

 

Greed? 

If you made a widget and it cost you 50cents to manufacture it, 25 cents to get it to market and marketing and you sold it for $1.00. That would make you 25 cents for each one you sell. Would you call that greedy after the work you put into it?

Thats a 25% profit margin btw.

Is that reasonable for all the effort you put into it?

[bocutter Ed]

UK gallon is 8 pints or 4.54 litres.

US pint is smaller, 16 oz vs 20 oz.

[Motorhobo]

Lucky Brits...they get more beer!

[argent brick]

Fuel is at $4.15 per gallon here in Northern California Wine Country as of today. It will drop a few pennies after the 4th of July has passed.

They claim it is due to the high cost of transportation, but I find that hard to believe because the refinery is less than 35 minutes away.  My daughter is at a college about 150 miles away and fuel is 25-30 cents less per gallon.

Greed and taxes. That is why my fuel cost so much. Just greed and taxes.

 

Greed? 

If you made a widget and it cost you 50cents to manufacture it, 25 cents to get it to market and marketing and you sold it for $1.00. That would make you 25 cents for each one you sell. Would you call that greedy after the work you put into it?

Thats a 25% profit margin btw.

Is that reasonable for all the effort you put into it?

I don't have a problem with someone making a profit. However, when they jack up fuel prices and then claim it is the high cost of getting it to market and yet fuel is cheaper 150-200 miles away from the refinery than it is only 25 miles away, then yes, i can't help but question if greed is involved.

Our dealers here in town will jack up the prices on Friday afternoon and lower them on Monday morning just to make extra money off of the weekend tourist. They also raised prices here a couple of years ago when they had problems with the oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. They claimed it was the cost of getting the fuel to market. Then they claimed it was because of the storms in the Gulf.  It is my understanding that the special California blend fuel for Nor Cal does not even come from the Gulf.

Also, last time I heard anything about OPEC, they were running at 40 percent production to keep the per barrel cost high.

I can drive to the next city away, I have three to choose from, 15 miles east, west or south (towards the refineries, BTW) and find fuel for 15 cents less per gal. I doubt if the cost difference is that much.

Now maybe these things are sound business practices. I am sure they are all legal. I just question if they are ethical.

If I have to pay higher prices for fuel because there is a problem, I can deal with that. Just don't deceive or mislead me with false reasons and answers for the increases.

BTW, How much does it cost to fill up your K bike in your neck of the woods?

[Grim]

Fuel is at $4.15 per gallon here in Northern California Wine Country as of today. It will drop a few pennies after the 4th of July has passed.

They claim it is due to the high cost of transportation, but I find that hard to believe because the refinery is less than 35 minutes away.  My daughter is at a college about 150 miles away and fuel is 25-30 cents less per gallon.

Greed and taxes. That is why my fuel cost so much. Just greed and taxes.

 

Greed? 

If you made a widget and it cost you 50cents to manufacture it, 25 cents to get it to market and marketing and you sold it for $1.00. That would make you 25 cents for each one you sell. Would you call that greedy after the work you put into it?

Thats a 25% profit margin btw.

Is that reasonable for all the effort you put into it?

I don't have a problem with someone making a profit. However, when they jack up fuel prices and then claim it is the high cost of getting it to market and yet fuel is cheaper 150-200 miles away from the refinery than it is only 25 miles away, then yes, i can't help but question if greed is involved.

Our dealers here in town will jack up the prices on Friday afternoon and lower them on Monday morning just to make extra money off of the weekend tourist. They also raised prices here a couple of years ago when they had problems with the oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. They claimed it was the cost of getting the fuel to market. Then they claimed it was because of the storms in the Gulf.  It is my understanding that the special California blend fuel for Nor Cal does not even come from the Gulf.

Also, last time I heard anything about OPEC, they were running at 40 percent production to keep the per barrel cost high.

I can drive to the next city away, I have three to choose from, 15 miles east, west or south (towards the refineries, BTW) and find fuel for 15 cents less per gal. I doubt if the cost difference is that much.

Now maybe these things are sound business practices. I am sure they are all legal. I just question if they are ethical.

If I have to pay higher prices for fuel because there is a problem, I can deal with that. Just don't deceive or mislead me with false reasons and answers for the increases.

BTW, How much does it cost to fill up your K bike in your neck of the woods?

I can't speak for gouging on delivery but the point it makes it on the truck at the the refiner the company (BP,Texico ect)make 2.3 cents a gallon. The local gas station makes about 3cents a gallon. As their profits. Being diesel is extremely pricy in CA I can see the delivery charge being up there.   I hear diesel is $4.90 out there. It's $4.10 around around me north of Atlanta.

Now another thing to consider is the mix. Depending where you are some location madate blends to reduce pollutants (never mind the fact it also reduces the fuel economy). You cost may be up for that reason as well.  Summer gas here costs more then winter gas and I gain about 1mpg with winter blend in my truck.

As for gas cost near Atlanta. I pumped super today at chevron for 4.02 today into the bike (seems to run better and get a little better MPG). Regular is 3.60ish not counting the Kroger discount I got of 20cents a gallon that I feed my fat Land Cruiser. That about 20 miles north of down town Atlanta.

[argent brick]

Fuel is at $4.15 per gallon here in Northern California Wine Country as of today. It will drop a few pennies after the 4th of July has passed.

They claim it is due to the high cost of transportation, but I find that hard to believe because the refinery is less than 35 minutes away.  My daughter is at a college about 150 miles away and fuel is 25-30 cents less per gallon.

Greed and taxes. That is why my fuel cost so much. Just greed and taxes.

 

Greed? 

If you made a widget and it cost you 50cents to manufacture it, 25 cents to get it to market and marketing and you sold it for $1.00. That would make you 25 cents for each one you sell. Would you call that greedy after the work you put into it?

Thats a 25% profit margin btw.

Is that reasonable for all the effort you put into it?

I don't have a problem with someone making a profit. However, when they jack up fuel prices and then claim it is the high cost of getting it to market and yet fuel is cheaper 150-200 miles away from the refinery than it is only 25 miles away, then yes, i can't help but question if greed is involved.

Our dealers here in town will jack up the prices on Friday afternoon and lower them on Monday morning just to make extra money off of the weekend tourist. They also raised prices here a couple of years ago when they had problems with the oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. They claimed it was the cost of getting the fuel to market. Then they claimed it was because of the storms in the Gulf.  It is my understanding that the special California blend fuel for Nor Cal does not even come from the Gulf.

Also, last time I heard anything about OPEC, they were running at 40 percent production to keep the per barrel cost high.

I can drive to the next city away, I have three to choose from, 15 miles east, west or south (towards the refineries, BTW) and find fuel for 15 cents less per gal. I doubt if the cost difference is that much.

Now maybe these things are sound business practices. I am sure they are all legal. I just question if they are ethical.

If I have to pay higher prices for fuel because there is a problem, I can deal with that. Just don't deceive or mislead me with false reasons and answers for the increases.

BTW, How much does it cost to fill up your K bike in your neck of the woods?

I can't speak for gouging on delivery but the point it makes it on the truck at the the refiner the company (BP,Texico ect)make 2.3 cents a gallon. The local gas station makes about 3cents a gallon. As their profits. Being diesel is extremely pricy in CA I can see the delivery charge being up there.   I hear diesel is $4.90 out there. It's $4.10 around around me north of Atlanta.

Now another thing to consider is the mix. Depending where you are some location madate blends to reduce pollutants (never mind the fact it also reduces the fuel economy). You cost may be up for that reason as well.  Summer gas here costs more then winter gas and I gain about 1mpg with winter blend in my truck.

As for gas cost near Atlanta. I pumped super today at chevron for 4.02 today into the bike (seems to run better and get a little better MPG). Regular is 3.60ish not counting the Kroger discount I got of 20cents a gallon that I feed my fat Land Cruiser. That about 20 miles north of down town Atlanta.

Now that the 4th of July has passed, Regular fuel is 4.09 per gallon, FWIW. That's about 50 cents per gallon more than what you pay. Some areas in town it is priced even more.

We have the mandated special blended fuel you speak of, and you are correct about poor mpg. The bike also does not perform like it does on "real" gas. Personally, I think it is a sham for us to buy more fuel. Has anyone ever done studies about the pollution levels considering that we have poorer fuel economy.

[jacksdad1963]

Working on todays exchange rate $1 = £0.58

US Gallon is 6.66 pints
UK Gallon is 8 pints

We pay 77p per pint    You Pay 35p per pint  :nono

Our Gov rip us off, as most of the price difference is tax, yet about NONE of it is spent on road maintenance!