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50CC - actually 43 hours and 46 minutes.
« on: October 24, 2013, 04:47:41 PM »
crash is onna modern-era motobrick 50 cc...

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rolled oughtta santa cruze this morning...

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Re: CRASH Is On Modern-Era MotoBrick 50 CC
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2013, 08:06:37 PM »
You slabbin' Johnny NoSlab?

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Re: CRASH Is On Modern-Era MotoBrick 50 CC
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2013, 09:58:07 PM »
me is johnny noslabb...

you wont find me rolling the slabb coast to coast...

looks like crash will have clear weather with nigh time lows in the 40s... perfect modern-era motobricking weather...

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50CC - actually 43 hours and 46 minutes.
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 12:56:44 AM »
50CC ... the Coast to Coast in less than 50 hours Iron Butt Association Challenge.

Done. Well actually a 43 hour and 46 minute CC to be exact. 2803 miles from Santa Cruz, California to Jacksonville, Florida.

So I have business in Florida and will be here for a month.  Some quick math told me that riding over would be cheaper than flying and renting a car for a month ... plus I could do an Iron Butt 50CC that I had considered for a while.

I will start off with this ... I have been asked about how I prepped my bike for this trip.  Easy, oil has 1000 miles on it, so I checked it.  Tires had 1600 miles on them, so I checked them and put air in them. If you have to do special maintenance on your bike for a trip, you aren't maintaining your motorcycle properly to begin with. The only serious thing I did was pack up my spare final drive unit and all the tools and oil necessary to swap it out on the side for the road ... and I only did that because these things fail and since I am on my third one in 90k miles ... it seemed prudent.  Didn't need it to have my neighbor ship it.



Ride Milestones:
1000 Miles in 14.5 hours (receipt will show 1038 in 14 hours 57 minutes) = SS1000
1500 miles in 21.5 hours (receipt will show 1648 in 23 hours 17 minutes) = BBG1500
2000 miles in 29.25 hours (receipt will show 2121 in 31 hours and 5 minutes) = SSG2000
2803 miles - Santa Cruz, CA to Jacksonville FL - in 43 hours and 46 minutes = 50CC
(Had I not farted around eating, worthless power nap attempt, electric gear on and off, and had to find a gas station that actually worked in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere aka Florida Pan Handle, I could have completed this in 41 hours, by starting in San Diego I could easily get this ride to 40 hours or less)

A bit of planning and organization and I was ready (my wife says I have as much fun planning as riding .... sometimes maybe more).  50CC and 100CCC rides need three witnesses or a police or firefighter to sign off.  Johnylaw from another forum was gracious enough to be my starting witness and I met him early October 24th to get the papers signed. From there it was off to get gas as far west as I could to start the clock.  A quick fill up and  I was on the road.

The Route


The Actual Route
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Missed a few gas stop check ins towards the end

I am pretty meticulous on planning to the point of calling gas stations and confirming hours and if they actually still exist.   However, even this cannot be fool proof as I found in Florida where the gas station claimed to have 24 hours pump access, but turned them off.  Not good since it was in the middle of BF Nowhere.   I do carry an extra gallon of gas just in case. Then there is always the unattended station and no receipt ... ALWAYS carry a camera. A picture of the bike and pump, the close up of the pump readings and a picture of the station helps a lot for confirmation - unless it is your last stop - then you gotta get more creative.

The run from my house to meet with John started poorly ... VERY foggy coming off the mountain, but it cleared up quickly and then I was off and running.  Through California was uneventful, gas stops were clock work.  I did not wear my heated gear, expecting warm to hot weather ... turns out I could have worn it from the start and saved myself a little time putting it on later.  Not a big deal.  Gas stops were clock work.  Even a quick inspection of tires and the machine each stop took less than 4 minutes.  Approaching Benson, AZ I passed the 1000 mile mark.  I am not getting a certificate for a SS1000 this run - basically if you HAVE to accomplish a ride to accomplish a bigger ride, you cannot get certified for it anyway. But I do take note of it.  I am planning to get certified for a BBG and SSG on this ride, I already have these certs for previous rides, but another set would be nice. There are two schools in the IBA world, those that only get one cert a ride and those that will get multiples if they qualify .... I am a multiple cert guy as long as it is not whorish.  All a moot point if you want a Mile Eater or Mile Eater Gold cert (5 qualifying rides in a year - 2 of which need to be "extreme") since those HAVE to be solo certed rides. I am not going to qualify for that this year, so gimme me papers!

SS1000 rides for me are too easy and to the point of boring.  If I am not shooting for a 1500 mile day now, it is just a short ride. When PongoUSA and I did our BBG (1500 miles in less than 24 hours) we could have gone for more miles but hit 1590 and decided to stop for a break and food.  I wanted to top that and I hit 1649 miles in 23.5 hours. I felt good and knew a SSG (2000 miles in less than 36 hours) was as good as mine as well.  I did get my one and only "No receipt/No Attendant" issue on this ride during this section in Balmorhea, TX - a few quick pictures and I was on the road again.  BTW, it helps to know if there are other stations around you ... that has to happen at the planning stage.  I knew I had no other option in the area or I would have headed over to another place and put in 15 cents in gas just to get a receipt.  Been there done that ... it works - especially if that is a turn point or critical stop - like your last one.


This means I had .24 gallons left in the tank. Love those 80 MPH speed limits in Texas,but it makes the girl thirsty.



I also got to experience the southern lightening and rain storms.  As I headed into the lightening, at first I was awed by the beauty.  Then the stories of that biker that got zapped came into my head. When I stopped for gas I asked the girl there about getting hit, she said I need to stop reading he Internet. LOL ... the truckers that were there told me to stay away from the rigs.  If anything is going to get it, they will it and being around that would not be fun for a guy in a funny yellow jacket (no, really, one guy said that) on a motorcycle.  Rain is the size of quarters and I now know what part of the country to talk to people about quality rain gear.  Ken Phenix is something of an expert and, like Charles Schwab and finances, when Ken speaks (about rain gear) one should listen.

I have said before, the BBG is the hardest ride I have done ... again, I think it was tougher than the 50CC - you just cannot rest or stop to make a BBG.  At 1649 miles in  24 hours, I was well over half way to Jacksonville and plenty of time to go.  If I maintained the same pace, I would be golden.  But I did not have to maintain that pace and could actually rest a bit now.

After I had locked in the BBG, I tried to catch some Zs at a rest stop ... was not happening.  Brain was going 1000 miles an hour on what I still had to do.  I was able to rejuvenate some and relax - between fielding "California, how long you been on the road?" - 24 hours since I left Santa Cruz - "What?  Thats fricking crazy ... you must be flying" - Nope, going the speed limit, just not stopping .... at all. Then I give a remedial 3rd grade math class and usually the people walk away mumbling how I am nuts ... yeah, so ... and? But I always have fun with the people I meet that I talk to and we laugh a lot.  That is important to breaking up the ride too.

Ken Phenix wanted to ride a while with me for a bit. So we met in Winnie, TX.  When I got there I let him know next gas stop clinches the SSG - lets ride to that and grab lunch there. Maybe the least fun section.  Bad traffic (seriously, people in the south change lanes just to pace and block traffic I think ... I SOOOO wanted to split lanes).  My music started to freak out and needed a reset, the sun was glaring on the GPS so I could not read it and my lovely Aussie girl that gives me directions was mad and giving me the silent treatment.  It was also hot and I was a little groggy and I was hungry.

We got to the next stop, I got my receipt and had the SSG in the bag, then reset all of my electronics which solved my issues it seemed and went and had a nice southern lunch (red beans, dirty rice and sausage and it was really good ... or I was really hungry ... or both.)



Ken left me with a care package that I did not open until I got to the hotel in Jacksonville ... AWESOME brownies from his and his wife's bakery.  Would have been INSTANT ENERGY ... but maybe not legal he thinks ... best I waited. :D  I left Ken and plan to stop back for the evening on the way home ... when I have a more leisurely pace and time to visit more.

I will take this spot to comment on how timing is EVERYTHING.  I enjoy spending my late evenings in normally high traffic zones when possible. AKA ... when the traffic is not here. I hit Phoenix right at the tail end of rush hour, and Houston about 2 hours before ... the rest were late.   Passing the border in El Paso at midnight was actually pretty cool to be able to look across that gap/dried river bed/DMZ into Mexico - I wish I had time to stop and take a few pictures ... just me and the border patrol were there.

Saying that, traffic leaving Lafayette Louisiana SUCKED.  It was stopped dead due to an accident so I had to improvise a detour that added a lot of time to my trip, but was better than sitting in traffic.   I did get paced by a few law enforcement officials of the area. California plates, bright Hi Viz jacket that are even more not normal there than around here, clearly agitated and using every fiber of his sol not to split lanes. But I was good and they were nice.  I did have one jackass not like my lights ... so I hit him with my high beams, he backed down. :D

I need to ride I-10 in Florida in the day light.  In the evening it was gorgeous.  It was also cold as freakin' hell.  Gas is not as sparse as I had been led to believe, but not too bad ... if they were open at o'dark 30.  One of the gas stations I called to make sure their pumps were 24/7 even when no one was around ... so let me be blunt ... he lied.  But I did suit up in the electrics there.  Discovered the wire routing to my left electric sock was a wee bit tight and liked to disconnect itself ... I had to adjust that before I lost the toes on my left foot due to them freezing off.  I do not have electric pant liners, but my thermo pant liners were more than fine, but I need to figure out how to keep the jacket riding up and not leave my lower back exposed to the cold. Or just get electric pant liners and be done with it.

The rest of the ride was smooth sailing and I cruised on into Jacksonville Beach at 6:04 AM local time (3:04 AM California Time).  Got gas ... no receipt.  Went in to get a receipt, it only prints the right side.  They can't fix it.  Whatever, rode down to the 7-11 on the beach, got coffee and a receipt there.  From there headed over to watch the sun rise over the ocean.  Actually fell asleep leaning against a tree.  I guess now that I was done my body said, NOW you can relax.

The last step was to get a final witness.  The Local Fire and Police apparently are very familiar with the IBA.  The police station was not open.  So I headed over to the Fire Department.  As I parked and got off and got ready to give my elevator speech on the IBA, one of the guys came out "Hey, are you one of those IRON BUTT guys?"   Yeah, actually I am.  "On your way to Cali?"  No, just got here from Santa Cruz, 43 hours 46 minutes. A few of the other guys heard this and turned to look at me with that incredulous "you crazy bastard" look in their eyes. Got my signatures, a few laughs and then headed off to the hotel.

And the fun doesn't end.  I get to the hotel about 9 AM - way before check in, but since I am living here for a month, they were more than accommodating. We talk about the ride, where can I park the bike so it is covered form the silly sudden rain storms here, and luggage carts.  "Why do you need a luggage cart, you can't have that much on a motorcycle."

When I rolled this in I made sure they realized both those gargantuan saddle bags were still full, but that stuff could say there.



Got in, sort of unpacked ... took a shower and laid down ... and woke up 8 hours later.  My face seems to have a 1/2" line of sunburn ... the area right below my internal sun shield and the bottom of the helmet. My eyes feel like they would feel after being open the better part of 50 hours total.

So now I sit here with my 14 year old Oban Highland Single Malt, writing this, searching for the best deal on tires so I can get them in time for the scheduled tire swap next Sunday at a local IBA'rs house.  Called in and checked with the wife and then tried to keep track of all the comments to me on Facebook.

All in all a great couple of days ... will get my paperwork in order and shipped off to the IBA - now ... what to do on my way back home?
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Re: 50CC - actually 43 hours and 46 minutes.
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 01:59:16 AM »
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Re: 50CC - actually 43 hours and 46 minutes.
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2013, 09:03:30 AM »
Great write up! THANKS

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 10:43:15 AM »
Nice write up!

Out of curiosity what sort of symptoms do you get when the rear end starts going?
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 12:00:42 PM »
Out of curiosity what sort of symptoms do you get when the rear end starts going?

It depends on the failure, inner or outer bearing.

While parked, oil on the rear wheel.  I also check frequently, put the bike on the center stand and grab he rear tire at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. Try to move it back and forth.  Is there any play?  A TINY little movement ... maybe just enough that you stop and think hmmmm, but no more.  On the paralever rear drives, if you have movement, have someone push the rear brake and try it ... if the play goes away, it is the pivot bearings and not the final drive itself. I believe that the classic Ks like most here have don't have much to worry about in the final drive department.

While riding, imagine riding on those rumble strips.  Or, in extreme cases, your bike just suddenly stops and throws you on the ground.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2013, 02:41:11 PM »
Out of curiosity what sort of symptoms do you get when the rear end starts going?

It depends on the failure, inner or outer bearing.

While parked, oil on the rear wheel.  I also check frequently, put the bike on the center stand and grab he rear tire at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. Try to move it back and forth.  Is there any play?  A TINY little movement ... maybe just enough that you stop and think hmmmm, but no more.  On the paralever rear drives, if you have movement, have someone push the rear brake and try it ... if the play goes away, it is the pivot bearings and not the final drive itself. I believe that the classic Ks like most here have don't have much to worry about in the final drive department.

While riding, imagine riding on those rumble strips.  Or, in extreme cases, your bike just suddenly stops and throws you on the ground.
Not to hijack but your comment about being on your third drive just caught my eye and I'm trying to trace down something on my bike.
From the exterior my drive looks exactly like yours. I realize most of the complaint on the mid 2000 bikes was more of an assembly issue. That said I have found some pinion seepage but not on the wheel flange. I dont think my bike had any spline services in the 46k before I got it. I had about a table spoon of oil in the boot when I took it apart. 46k thats not much unless its all accumulated recently.

My bike at around 65mph gets a little wobble feeling at steady cruise. Push it to 80 it seems to go a way. Below that it goes away.
Tried to see if I had a notch in the head set. Not finding it but will be servicing it this winter. Ive tried wiggling the back wheel as described and I don't seem to feel anything but I will try again. One of the front wheel bearings is not exactly smooth so I plan to replace them. One of the bearings on the Para-lever is also not very smooth but I cant feel any slop when assembled but plan to replace it as well. I think both are high pressure wash issues getting water in them. I forced grease into both till I get to replacing them.

Thanks for the tips.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2013, 02:54:22 PM »
Out of curiosity what sort of symptoms do you get when the rear end starts going?

It depends on the failure, inner or outer bearing.

While parked, oil on the rear wheel.  I also check frequently, put the bike on the center stand and grab he rear tire at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. Try to move it back and forth.  Is there any play?  A TINY little movement ... maybe just enough that you stop and think hmmmm, but no more.  On the paralever rear drives, if you have movement, have someone push the rear brake and try it ... if the play goes away, it is the pivot bearings and not the final drive itself. I believe that the classic Ks like most here have don't have much to worry about in the final drive department.

While riding, imagine riding on those rumble strips.  Or, in extreme cases, your bike just suddenly stops and throws you on the ground.
Not to hijack but your comment about being on your third drive just caught my eye and I'm trying to trace down something on my bike.
From the exterior my drive looks exactly like yours. I realize most of the complaint on the mid 2000 bikes was more of an assembly issue. That said I have found some pinion seepage but not on the wheel flange. I dont think my bike had any spline services in the 46k before I got it. I had about a table spoon of oil in the boot when I took it apart. 46k thats not much unless its all accumulated recently.

My bike at around 65mph gets a little wobble feeling at steady cruise. Push it to 80 it seems to go a way. Below that it goes away.
Tried to see if I had a notch in the head set. Not finding it but will be servicing it this winter. Ive tried wiggling the back wheel as described and I don't seem to feel anything but I will try again. One of the front wheel bearings is not exactly smooth so I plan to replace them. One of the bearings on the Para-lever is also not very smooth but I cant feel any slop when assembled but plan to replace it as well. I think both are high pressure wash issues getting water in them. I forced grease into both till I get to replacing them.

Thanks for the tips.

What year and model brick do you have?

Paralever pivot bearings, if you are going to do them - do them both not just one.  You will have to go back in and do the other one soon enough.  Your oil in your boot MIGHT be seeping from the back of the trans and down the drive train. Saying that, the pinion seals do go as well and it could well be that.  I would replace the final drive oil and see if I could identify where the level is and then check it again later.  Rotate the final drive to get the oil all over before trying to measure a level.  Don't over fill the final drives,that will blow oilout of the vent and can build up pressure and cause leaks as well.

Assembly is the issue - preload settings. Piss poor design really. If the guy assembling it was hung over, not very good, didn't care .... easy to get it wrong.  I have lost 2 of the outer thrust bearings (which also destroys the crown shaft and makes the entire thing cost more to rebuild than just buy new) and one of the large main bearings (that also destroyed the seal, fortunately since when I walked into the garage I could see a river of oil). I know guys that have NEVER had an issue.  This third final drive has more miles on it than all the rest combined so, maybe I got a good one.  The other thing is, this is the same final drive as the RTs of the same era.  People say, well why don't they fail?  Oh, I dunno .. maybe the RTs massive 98 HP vs the K bikes 135 HP .. maybe THAT makes a difference.... ya think?  :dunno
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2013, 05:00:58 PM »
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It was dry on the transmission end. Nothing in the arm. You could see it was moist around the pinion seal. Yeah Id replace both when I do them. I'm pretty sure this is pressure washer damage. People just dont get that they can blow water past seals and that they need to stay away from them. 

Head set and wheel bearing I'll probably take care of over thanksgiving. If the shimmy is stilll in it I'll order up the Paralever bearings. Thats really not a horrible job to get off and I have a 12 ton press so its not going to be a big deal for me to handle.. The Wheel bearing on the other hand the wheel wont fit in the press so I'm not sure how I need to do on that. I need to look that up.

Thanks for the info.
 Maybe next year I can look at getting some Iron butt rides under my belt. Looks like Cleveland TN to Key west would be good for a Saddle Sore. Need a better seat first!

 
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2013, 05:36:17 PM »
you wont find me rolling the slabb coast to coast...

Never thought I would slab like this either, but ya caint get there from here that fast other twize.

Back in 83 I rode a Honda CB1100F around the country with as little to no slab as possible.  Funny thing is, some of these roads are the very ones I road, they weren't freeways or highways back then. I also took 3 weeks to do it and meander around.  I do so hate how people in these areas use the "passing only" lane on these two lane freeways to just block and pace the car next to them ... and they generally wait until you are just in range to pass them when they pull out at half the speed limit and then don't frickin move.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2013, 11:21:04 PM »
Let me guess...LA, MO and AL?  Last time I went to Dallas TX I noticed that type of behavior. 

Another place I have had issues is with Ohio drivers. They are their own special brand idiot. They will putt along under the speed limit. When you pass they will pace you in your blind spot so you can't get back over. Best way to deal with them is sit behind them for a little bit till they stop watching then punch it past before the realize your going to pass and get back over. Unfortunately after that they tail gate till you or they have to get off.
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