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Fox twin clicker shock repair
« on: November 25, 2012, 11:53:16 AM »
Hi all,

I didn't want to thread jack the other fox rear shock thread so I thought i would post my question here. Does anyone know where I could get replacement parts for my rear shock twin clicker? I tried to contact fox directly but never got a reply. Im in Canada if that might help for suggestions.

Or should I just cut my losses and get a progressive 416? I don't have the cash for an Olins or works.

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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 02:02:18 PM »
Here's a link for a good replacement shock for our K bikes.
http://www.realmengineering.com/page15.html

There is a stateside distributor so you don't have to worry about international shipping and currency exchange anymore.

I have one on one of my bikes, and am giving very serious thought about getting another one for my 2nd bike instead of repairing my Ohlins again.
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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 03:09:22 PM »
I don't think Fox gives rat's tail about street bikes anymore.

Even 6 or 7 years ago when I sent one in it took them FOREVER to rebuild it (they claimed they lost it in their warehouse for several weeks :loopy:) and they weren't very responsive.

Bang for your buck: I'd buy a RAM/Realm shock.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 11:57:37 AM »
Thanks gents - I think I'll be looking at replacing it this winter.

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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 01:42:58 PM »
Here's a link for a good replacement shock for our K bikes.
http://www.realmengineering.com/page15.html

There is a stateside distributor so you don't have to worry about international shipping and currency exchange anymore.

Who dat? Got a name/URL/email?
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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 04:52:08 PM »
Try joe@dwmsracing.com - according to http://www.dwmsracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,91.msg1002.html#msg1002 they hooked up with Realm but thus far their online shop shows no Realm products
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 10:48:12 AM »
His email mailbox is full.

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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 08:40:37 PM »
His email mailbox is full.
You could always contact Realm directly and buy that way.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 01:07:28 PM »
I emailed realm on Monday still haven't heard back. I guess my question is it worth the hassle of trying to get one of these vs getting a progressive? I do 2up about 60% of the time with full saddle bags.

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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2012, 12:11:35 PM »
Try this guy in Gasper, Georgia, GMDATL.com (http://www.gmdatl.com/)
Kent Soigner
e-mail kent@gmdatl.com

He rebuilt my Fox shock last year or a couple years ago.
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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 08:13:41 AM »
Here is where some of my Google searching turned up some parts. http://www.offroad-engineering.com/shock-parts-fox-shox-parts.html

Also here is another I found. http://ltthor.home.comcast.net/~ltthor/FTC.html

I haven't used either, just some parts that I've found.

The shocks aren't too mysterious, I rebuilt one I picked up on Ebay on Christmas Eve.  I didn't really rebuild it per se, as everything was in pretty good shape, just gave everything a thorough cleaning, threw in some new oil and gave everything a once over (it all looked pretty good). 

About the only thing that I didn't salvage were the dust covers for the rebound adjuster (blue dial on the bottom of the shock).  And the only reason I tore into it was the rebound adjuster was adjusted too tight and it was locked up, even when I added the proper amount of pressure to the shock it wouldn't come out.  So I repaired that and got it working properly again.

The one thing I would like to add to my tool kit would be a spring compressor.  The fox spring is pretty long, so the only way to get the spring back on is from the bottom (because of how the hose connects to the top of the shock body).  I ended up using 3 hose clamps to compress the spring, you don't need a huge amount of compression, maybe 3/4" or an inch.

I had trouble finding the exact overhaul manual for my shock, but between the one I found (I think Duck has a link to it in the shock thread in the lieberry) and youtube, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what needs to be done.  I spoke with a local guy where I picked up my shock oil, and he said most of the shocks he runs into are different even if they look similar, as far as rebuilding them.  He is a KTM/Ducati dealer.  He also mentioned that bleeding them is the most important part, so I spent a good deal of time getting mine bled.  I only had to redo one step, when going from bleeding to getting the dust cover back on.  I allowed some air to enter, which you hear as a suction sound.  I just backed up a step, and it really only caused me to have the clean up of the oil overflowing during the bleeding process. 

I will try and find some extra parts and re build it at some point, and I will try to do a write up, with some pics.

I just looked in the lieberry, Duck has the owners manual, but not the rebuild manual.  Here is the link; http://service.foxracingshox.com/powersports/index.htm
Open it, then on the left go to Product owners manuals, then to Archived, then to Twin Clicker, then open the TC Rebuild manual.  It's 27 pages and is really helpful for the bleeding process.
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2012, 08:59:10 PM »
Sweet! Thanks for doing a the legwork!

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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 09:10:09 PM »
Good find. :2thumbup: I downloaded the Twin Clicker rebuild manual and added it to the suspension thread in The Lieberry.
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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2012, 08:34:32 AM »
I will also add that you shouldn't need the stupid $90 Fox tool they show in the manual.  What you need is a IFP tool.  It sounds complicated, but it isn't needed.

After you relieve the pressure safely, you can push the res. cap down and remove the circlip that retains it.  Pop out the cap, there shouldn't be much oil in this area, maybe a bit.  You should be able to see the backside of the IFP, it has a threaded boss on the back that is 1/4" x 20 (I will verify that).  I measured the depth of it at this point for a base, and then used a 1/4" x 20 bolt clamped in a needle-nose vise-grip.  At this point if it's still sound you won't be able to pull the IFP out, because the shock is still sealed.  Once you get the shock opened up you can pull the IFP out.

Good luck. :mm   
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2012, 08:55:38 AM »
Any ideas where you can get an ifp tool? I don't have the tools for a DIY job of making my own.

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Re: Fox twin clicker repair
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2012, 09:50:27 AM »
Any ideas where you can get an ifp tool? I don't have the tools for a DIY job of making my own.

Sorry if my post wasn't clear, all you need is a 1/4" bolt and a needle nose vise grip.  I was thinking I would make one up, at some point.  The one used in the youtube video I watched, was just a long "t-handle" tool.

Even a 10" piece of 1/4" all-thread would work just fine.  Or if you could source a longer 1/4" bolt, I think the res. is 8", so an 8" or longer would allow you to grip it with a regular vise-grip or pair of pliers.  There is some resistance to pulling it and inserting it, but it's not too bad, since it's lubed with shock oil.

Here's mah tool, heh-heh heh-heh :neener::
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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2012, 08:11:43 AM »
Here is what I came up with for some dust protection on the bottom clicker.  It's not the best but should work out just fine.  The clicker still works just as it should.  It's a small section of bicycle inner tube (you guys did know I sold my KLR to buy the brick...) :yes





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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2012, 09:10:20 AM »
(you guys did know I sold my KLR to buy the brick...)

Liar. A KLR owner would've used an old condom they found in an alley.
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2012, 09:36:46 AM »
I'll hold off on the condoms but thanks for the pics. I might jump into this now instead of sending it to the shop!

Thanks again!

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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2013, 07:48:35 PM »
Im rebuilding my fox twin clicker and the only issue I'm having is with the rebound adjustment. There's a small dowel that goes into the shock shaft right under the rebound knob. Does anyone know if the rebound metering rod simply rests on top of this dowel or does the metering rod have some sort of notch in it?
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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2013, 09:12:58 PM »
Answered my own question. The rebound metering rod sits on top of the dowel. My twin clicker is actually working as it should!
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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2014, 07:41:59 PM »
I thought I would update this thread as my shock started to seep a bit of oil and I thought it would be a good time to give it a refresh.  I have added a few pics of my own, just to show some of my tools and some of the work arounds I used.

The shock needed seals, a new bump stop, new oil and the bottom heim joint replaced.  The shock doesn't take a ton of oil, so I had a good part of a QT left from when I first replaced the oil back when I got the shock in late 2012.  I am pretty sure I have enough oil to rebuild it again in the future, so around 3 oil changes out of a QT.   My bump stop was just about completely disintegrated, probably not doing much good.



The manual I posted the link to above has really everything you could need to complete the rebuild, but there were a few "sticky" points along the way.  When I refreshed it back in '12, I didn't tear into the shaft assembly, this time I did it to be thorough.  There is a small o-ring in the bottom of the shaft that seals the dampening rod (this guy has a tiny little snap ring holding it in, I had to use small hemostats on it, as it was too small for my snap ring pliers).  So you have to remove the shaft from the bottom shock eye.  The bottom shock eye proved to be the most difficult part of the tear down, as the shaft is secured into the eye with red lock-tite.  It took a bunch of heat to break it loose.  It finally let go with a whistle sound and the shock eye came off.  If you can clamp the shaft down near the shock eye, you won't ruin the shaft if it turns in the shaft holder.  *One hint here is to really crank down on the vise holding the shaft clamp.  I resorted to using a BFH on the vise handle to get it tight enough, like to the point where you think things may start to break.

I originally repainted the spring, but had a bit of an issue when I was trying to cure it in my old toaster oven.  So I ended up parkerizing the spring, I will be interested in how it holds up.  I had already parkerized the large washer under the preload adjuster and the shock eye.  So there is some uniformity.  And lets face it black is dead sexy.



The Fox bullet tool is really expensive, this is the tool that covers the top end of the shaft when you are installing the body cover and the seal head.  It is tapered and helps the seals go over the shaft edge without getting torn on the sharp edge. I kind of racked my brain on how to work without having to buy their tool.  I happened to have a scrap piece of 1/2" pvc pipe that has an exterior diameter of 5/8".  A bit of easy lathe work later I had a working bullet tool, for about $0.15

I also made the shaft clamp that I used, just a scrap piece of 6061 aluminum with a 5/8" hole, cut in half.



In my above posts I showed my "on the cheap" dust cover (old bike inner tube).  My home brew seal had failed.  I only found one place that even lists the dust seals and they are like $20 each x2.  I hate spending what seam like high prices for little pieces of rubber, granted they would have completed the rebuild, but the new and improved dust cover I came up with is superior (I hope).  I kind of based it on the lizard skin fork protectors you can get.  Take a can coozy (one of the thinner ones with foam and bonded outer fabric-used for advertizing everything-my supply comes from many golf outings).  Turn it inside out and re-sew it so it is smaller, ideally so it just fits over the rebound adjuster.  Trim the edges turn it back out, and trim for length.  Then install.  It looks a heck of a lot better than an old inner tube.  It should also be fairly water/dust proof.



Semi-final product (Iwas still waiting for the new lower heim joint.


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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2014, 10:27:01 PM »
greetings...

looks yeeeehaaaa there mjydrafter...

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Re: Fox twin clicker shock repair
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 04:58:54 AM »
Howdy Johnny! :euro

One thing I haven't mentioned is how to pressurize the shock.  I have been using a hand pump from a bicycle shop, meant to pressurize MTB shocks.  It's a pretty slick little unit, IIRC it was about $30 locally.  Which seems pretty reasonable for a pump capable of 400 psi.  Drumming up the 300 psi needed for the FTC is a good little upper body workout. :hehehe

Now, I don't want to start a big debate about charging with nitrogen vs. atmospheric gas mixture.  The atmosphere here on earth is ~78% nitrogen.  That seems to be close enough for me.  I'm sure there are a number of reasons pure nitrogen would be better, but I don't have fat stacks of cash to blow on seldom used tools.  I would rather save it for gas and go   :riding:
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