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Offline Inge K.

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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2012, 06:49:22 PM »
Check the TPS, try to loosen the adjusting screws and turn it anticlockwise, viewed from behind.

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Offline Gubro30

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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2012, 06:54:17 PM »
Thanks Inge - I didn't know it could be rotated.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2012, 07:07:22 PM »
Correctly adjusted you shold hear the TPS click, just when the throttles starts to open.
(easiest checked by using the choke lever..............it just opens the throttles slightly, nothing else).

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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2012, 08:00:06 PM »
Loosen the mounting screws for the TPS to make sure that's not holding the throttle open.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2012, 09:01:42 PM »
I just had a look at it today after doing the splines.

The idle adjust screw is not even touching the plate when throttle is closed, meaning it's not that.

I slackened the choke cable adjuster, didn't make a difference.

Could it be the throttle bodies are synced together too opened out to start with?

I have slack at the throttle too.


Its the tps for sure. Loosen the two screws (in inner one is tricky) and slide it down a bit. You want it to click as soon as the throttle butterflies move.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2012, 06:09:26 PM »
Guys, it ain't the TPS. It clicks right as I twist the throttle and clicks again when I let it go.  :dunno

The idle bypass adj screws on each TBs that you touch when synchronizing the TBS do affect idle right?

I'm guessing it's been synched with the first screw opened too much. Possible explanation?
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2012, 06:16:18 PM »
Even if it clicks like that it can still be holding the throttle open.  Having you loosened it's mounting screws yet?
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2012, 06:37:08 PM »
No? I didn't touch it since it clicked? Once I've loosend them what's the procedure?
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2012, 06:43:26 PM »
Adjust the idle so that its at 1,000 RPM (when warmed up) and then install the TPS so that it clicks when you come off of idle.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2012, 07:06:36 PM »
You need to understand that the TPS has an end position. If the TPS is not good adjusted the rack might hang on the TPS stop (it doesn't go completely round, it has a limited operational area). If the rack is obstructed from closing futher because the TPS doesn't allow it to, you'll have to release the TPS in order to get it right.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2012, 02:43:46 PM »
Same issue here with my '92 K100RS.   i.e. idles at 950 when cold.  Can most often start without choke.  When warm, it's at 1400 RPM.

My vintage does not appear to have an idle adjustment screw and the manual points to the Motronic controlling idle...  On the drawing, BMW recommends adjusting with their expensive tool, but not clear direction on how to adjust idle...


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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2012, 02:55:17 PM »
Idle adjustment is on the throttle cable at the throttle perch end.  Pull back the rubber boot to see it.

DO NOT mess with the screws and locknuts that have blue paint on them.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2012, 05:06:28 PM »
There are four (or 5 on a k100) screws on the throttle bodies. One is the idle screw. Do not touch the others. The idle screw is between the first and second throttle bodies (on a k75), and sticks out farther. It's a hex bolt with a flathead screw top cut into it.


The cable adjuster is not for idle adjustment, and should not be used as such.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2012, 05:53:38 PM »
4V K bikes don't have an idle adjustment screw at the TBs like the 2V K bikes.
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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2012, 06:06:51 AM »
Using the throttle cable to adjust the idle doesn`t make sense to me  :hmm:

According to the factory manual for the K1/RS 4V, the throttle cable play should be 1 mm.
And the air bypass screws at the TB`s should be used for adjusting the idle.

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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2012, 01:17:14 AM »
You can get the vac caps at any decent auto parts store.  A really good one will have a little boxed assortment of colored vinyl caps, I used the blue ones. :yes

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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2012, 03:49:58 PM »
The fact that the idle increases by 450RPM after warm-up sure suggests a vacuum leak somewhere.  My bike will idle at about 900-950RPM cold and warms up to 1000RPM hot, a change of only 50-100RPM.

After doing a big service recently including a TB sync, I noticed that the previous 1000RPM idle had crept up just slightly, no doubt due to all of the new-found efficiency!  I took the side panel off my 2V RS to adjust the idle screw and found that it was not touching the stop.  I loosened up the choke and throttle cables and TPS and still could not get the idle screw to touch the stop.  That's not good, because it means the butterflies are providing the stop, and that will cause wear inside the throttle bodies and to the edges of the butterflies.

What I determined is that whoever set the TB air bypass screws last time had opened them up to about 2 turns each.  I turned each screw in 1 turn and re-synchronized.  Now I can turn the idle adjustment screw in so it will sit on the stop as it's supposed to, and still provide the proper idle RPM.  Essentially, I had an "air leak" which was bypassing too much air around the butterflies and making the idle stop screw run out of range.


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Re: Idle is 950RPM, but goes up to 1400RPM when warm - normal?
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2012, 03:51:09 PM »
Oh, and one other thing to check if your idle screw won't return to its stop - make sure none of the intake manifold clamps are positioned so that they interfere with the movement of the linkage of the throttle bodies.

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