MSF Course

[argent brick]

I just finished a MSF course today. What a blast!  Highly recommended.
If you have never taken one of these, you should consider it.
It was worth the sun burn. Lot's of fun.

[Photog]

Which class did you take? BRC, ARC, some other one?

[imoir]

I took the ARC earlier this year.  What a deal.  $25 for four hours on the range being coached by experts.  The classroom stuff was kind of dry but well worth the time once you get in the saddle.

I'm planning to take it every year.

[frankenduck]

I thought about several years ago but I can't take any of their courses.  They don't allow ANY aftermarket exhausts, even ones that are about as loud/quiet as stock. (Staintune.)  I can't take a course on my K75 because it's not insured.  (Not required for MCs in WA and I only insure the RS and LT to ride them out of state.)

[argent brick]

I thought about several years ago but I can't take any of their courses.  They don't allow ANY aftermarket exhausts, even ones that are about as loud/quiet as stock. (Staintune.)  I can't take a course on my K75 because it's not insured.  (Not required for MCs in WA and I only insure the RS and LT to ride them out of state.)


Here in The Peoples Republic of California, the bikes are provided for the Basic Riders Course. My wife know says that she will consider the course if she can ride a scooter.

[argent brick]

Photog, I took the Basic Riders Course. Took about a twenty year break on riding. Because I am starting over, I figured that I should do it right.

[Photog]

Got it.
Pretty much what I did 2.5 years back (20'ish year break then BRC). Yes, it was good fun, and we also got to watch one of the state troopers take a Harley around one of their layouts.

Here, I think everywhere, the BRC is one on their bikes, and the ERC is on yours. NH does have an in-between course (Intermediate R.C.) that's also done on their bikes, but you can't do that one more than one year after the BRC, (you are directed to the ERC instead).

[mystic red]

I thought about several years ago but I can't take any of their courses.  They don't allow ANY aftermarket exhausts, even ones that are about as loud/quiet as stock. (Staintune.)  I can't take a course on my K75 because it's not insured.  (Not required for MCs in WA and I only insure the RS and LT to ride them out of state.)

Well that's F-ing ridiculous. :loco:

[frankenduck]

I thought about several years ago but I can't take any of their courses.  They don't allow ANY aftermarket exhausts, even ones that are about as loud/quiet as stock. (Staintune.)  I can't take a course on my K75 because it's not insured.  (Not required for MCs in WA and I only insure the RS and LT to ride them out of state.)

Well that's F-ing ridiculous. :loco:

I suppose they have to have a rule for keeping the "loud pipes save lives" (while annoying everyone within earshot) crowd from pissing of the neighbors near where they run the courses.  Just banning all aftermarket exhausts makes it non-discretionary for the rider coaches so it doesn't get placed on their shoulders.

[mystic red]

Bet they wouldn't even notice your after market pipes. Unless you pointed them out, of course.

[TimTyler]

Bet they wouldn't even notice your after market pipes. Unless you pointed them out, of course.

Yeah - That seems like the kind of rule officials might not enforce until somebody complained.

[mystic red]

2 HD buddies and I took the Idaho Star Advanced Riders Course a few years back and they said no loud pipes. :nono  Course they were both running Vance and Hines which I think are obnoxiously loud and they didn't say a word. :dunno

[Scott_]

I took the BRC a few years back for a few reasons.
1, I thought it was a good idea to know what my bad habits are.
2, I hadn't taken one before.
3, since I promote the BRC in the Drivers Ed classes I teach, I thought I should have taken it.
4, the discount on my Insurance is a nice little perk.

[frankenduck]

I dislike organizations with the word safety in their name.  :lol:

[mystic red]

I dislike organizations with the word safety in their name.  :lol:

Turns out it's a good radiator fan motor tester..... cool shades

[motodude]

I have never taken a course. 

But, I have ridden with a couple of the "Team Oregon" instructors.  I'll never do THAT again.  It's bad enough having to obey ALL the speed limits, regardless of traffic, weather, etc.  But, stopping, I mean STOPPING at EVERY stop sign was just too much.  I almost rear-ended one of them when he didn't roll though a stop sign making a right turn into ZERO traffic.

That's what I learned from them.

Tom

[frankenduck]

I always completely stop at stop signs and put both feet down.  If you don't then you're just asking for a ticket from some anti-moto LEO who sees you.  Plus it gives you another second or two to check both ways so you don't get plowed by a car you didn't see.

[argent brick]

Yeah, the instructors that I had were really sticklers on the rules.  One student had a short sleeved shirt and they would not let him ride. Another student was called on the carpet because during break time he was sitting on a bike without his gloves on.
The instructors explained that it is common for someone from the CHP to come by and write them up for little stuff like that so they have to be dicks to cover there rear ends.

[motodude]

I always completely stop at stop signs and put both feet down.  If you don't then you're just asking for a ticket from some anti-moto LEO who sees you.  Plus it gives you another second or two to check both ways so you don't get plowed by a car you didn't see.

I rarely put both feet down.  The only exception to that is when I'm 2-up.  Then I'll put both down as I don't control all the "moving weight" on the bike.  Even 2-up I put only one foot down much of the time as I've got the boys pretty well trained.

That being said, most of my riding is in rural areas.  Where traffic is light and LEOs even lighter.  And, of course, when deciding whether to stop or not, a lot of it depends on sight distance.

Since reaching adulthood, I've never really had any serious "issues" with LEOs anyway.  This weekend, I rolled past an OSP, takin' pictures, as they say, at an indicated 10 over.  I didn't roll off and he didn't bat an eyelash.   :2thumbup:

Tom

[imoir]

I thought about several years ago but I can't take any of their courses.  They don't allow ANY aftermarket exhausts, even ones that are about as loud/quiet as stock. (Staintune.)  I can't take a course on my K75 because it's not insured.  (Not required for MCs in WA and I only insure the RS and LT to ride them out of state.)

Well that's F-ing ridiculous. :loco:

I guess they just didn't notice my Staintune.  Of course one of the instructors was running a Vance and Hines on his FJR1300 and the other had straight pipes on his Harley.  Maybe Michigan is more liberal?  Bwahahahah....

[frankenduck]

Maybe Michigan is more liberal?  Bwahahahah....

I'm in Seattle. (a.k.a. Berkeley with rain)

[billday]

It's bad enough having to obey ALL the speed limits, regardless of traffic, weather, etc.  But, stopping, I mean STOPPING at EVERY stop sign was just too much.  I almost rear-ended one of them when he didn't roll though a stop sign making a right turn into ZERO traffic.

On Tuesday I was nearly creamed by a cager with the same attitude about right turns.

[motodude]

It's bad enough having to obey ALL the speed limits, regardless of traffic, weather, etc.  But, stopping, I mean STOPPING at EVERY stop sign was just too much.  I almost rear-ended one of them when he didn't roll though a stop sign making a right turn into ZERO traffic.

On Tuesday I was nearly creamed by a cager with the same attitude about right turns.

Awe, but since you were there it wasn't zero traffic, now was it?   :hmm:

Glad you're here to tell the tale,
Tom

[TimTyler]

Awe, but since you were there it wasn't zero traffic, now was it? 

Ummm, I think the point is that the other guy THOUGHT there was zero traffic.

[motodude]

Awe, but since you were there it wasn't zero traffic, now was it? 

Ummm, I think the point is that the other guy THOUGHT there was zero traffic.

Or he didn't.

Tom