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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2023, 06:18:52 PM »
Here’s the plugs as well
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2023, 08:25:21 PM »
When you say you fiddled with the throttle body screws, did you mean the brass idle air control screws or the throttle butterfly synchronization screws(these are on the linkage between throttle bodies and marked with blue paint)?

If it was the idle air screws, you can get back to a decent adjustment by first removing them one by one and cleaning the bore they screw into with carb cleaner.  Then screw them in until lightly bottomed and then back them all out 1 1/2 turns.

Your spark plug doesn't look all that bad, seeing as how you really haven't been able to get any extended run time on the engine.  The engine looks like it is running a little fat, but that may be the result of not maintaining normal operating temperature for any length of time.

One common problem is the engine coolant temperature sensor.  A failing sensor or dirty/loose/corroded connection will make the fuel injection control think the engine is cold and enrich the mixture.  With the engine at operating temperature, the resistance between contacts #10 and #13 on the engine control plug should be about 250 ohms.  A cold engine will read about 2500 ohms.

About the rail: when the soak is done, pour out the vinegar in the rail through a coffee filter to catch whatever comes out.  Do a good rinse with lots of water and if you can, blow it out with compressed air followed by a rinse with 91% isopropyl rubbing alcohol to remove any water that may still be in it.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2023, 08:29:07 PM »
When you say you fiddled with the throttle body screws, did you mean the brass idle air control screws or the throttle butterfly synchronization screws(these are on the linkage between throttle bodies and marked with blue paint)?

If it was the idle air screws, you can get back to a decent adjustment by first removing them one by one and cleaning the bore they screw into with carb cleaner.  Then screw them in until lightly bottomed and then back them all out 1 1/2 turns.

Your spark plug doesn't look all that bad, seeing as how you really haven't been able to get any extended run time on the engine.  The engine looks like it is running a little fat, but that may be the result of not maintaining normal operating temperature for any length of time.

One common problem is the engine coolant temperature sensor.  A failing sensor or dirty/loose/corroded connection will make the fuel injection control think the engine is cold and enrich the mixture.  With the engine at operating temperature, the resistance between contacts #10 and #13 on the engine control plug should be about 250 ohms.  A cold engine will read about 2500 ohms.

About the rail: when the soak is done, pour out the vinegar in the rail through a coffee filter to catch whatever comes out.  Do a good rinse with lots of water and if you can, blow it out with compressed air followed by a rinse with 91% isopropyl rubbing alcohol to remove any water that may still be in it.

Thanks for the tip. And yeah I messed around with the brass ones
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2023, 08:35:37 PM »
That is good news.  You can get back to a usable balance doing what I suggested.  Don't ever touch the screws with the blue paint.  They are set up on a flow bench at the factory, and you don't have the equipment to get a really good setup for them.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2023, 10:22:47 PM »
That is good news.  You can get back to a usable balance doing what I suggested.  Don't ever touch the screws with the blue paint.  They are set up on a flow bench at the factory, and you don't have the equipment to get a really good setup for them.

Thank you. As for the coolant sensor, is there a aftermarket option? Or do I have to use the one from
https://www.euromotoelectrics.com/TEMPSENS-K197-p/tempsens-k197.htm
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2023, 12:26:13 AM »
Don't buy the cheap Aliexpress one it doesn't work. It did work on the 16v Brick. This was a few years ago.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2023, 08:48:03 AM »
Test the one on the bike before you start spending money on a replacement.

The one from EuroMotoElectrics is okay.  They sell good parts.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2023, 08:51:13 AM »
Getting ready to test it now. Before buying a new one. Also going to call the local bmw shop to see if they have one instead of waiting until mid next week whenever they open this morning..
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2023, 01:12:30 PM »

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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2023, 01:14:57 PM »
Ohm on cold was around 4? I replaced it.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2023, 02:36:25 PM »
Was that 4 ohm measurement across terminals #10 and #13 on the big plug?  Your 4 ohm reading is unusual in that normally when the sender fails the resistance goes higher not lower. 

Have you removed the sender from the bike?  I would suggest putting it into a pan of cold water and reading the resistance from the pins to the metal case of the sender.  Then heat the water and the sender and measure the resistance again.  The cold water reading should be 2500 ohms dropping to approximately 250 ohms as the temperature approaches 200 degrees F. 
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2023, 07:53:46 PM »
Question?
What are theses two for?

And yes. Around 4.2 ohms when tested off of the pins.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2023, 10:53:11 PM »
Your photo is of the oil pressure switch that turns on the oil idiot light on the tachometer.

Where on the temperature sender did you get your reading?  That resistance would tell the engine control unit that the engine has melted.  That temperature would be well above the point where the engine would do an overtemp shutdown that would prevent the engine from running.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2023, 08:38:12 AM »
What’s next?
Still running bad, new coolant sensor helped for a few minutes until it warms up.
Mass air next?
Bad ecu?

Pins from the new sensor show within range.

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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2023, 12:06:25 PM »
What’s next?
A valve clearance check/adjustment, a throttle body balance with a manometer made with Snapple bottles or otherwise, and a CO adjustment.  :laughing4-giggles:


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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2023, 06:39:37 PM »
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2023, 07:01:06 PM »
You put the positive from a battery on the + terminal on the starter and ground the negative.  Of course the starter is going to crank the engine. 
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2023, 07:19:07 PM »
Figured. Rookie move. Change the sensor again. Tried everything. I’m giving up. Probably will post it under the for sale. Someone else can have a project. Could be something simple. Could be something more. But I don’t think I want to mess with it.. last resort is taking it to a local shop and having them mess with it. But I don’t want to spend another 2 grand on it.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2023, 09:58:55 PM »
Problem solved! Finally!!!!!!! But regardless I went ahead and bought a second bike in case it decided to break down again.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2023, 12:01:07 AM »
So, what was the problem???
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2023, 08:08:46 AM »
So, what was the problem???

Even though I had the injectors professionally cleaned. Decided to take them out again, sent them to a different company. Locally… they were bad. Once they get warm enough they start pulsing differently. Bad windings is what I’m told.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2023, 10:00:35 AM »
Thanks!  Looking forward to more updates on your progress.
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'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2023, 10:04:48 AM »
Thanks!  Looking forward to more updates on your progress.
Definitely! Thanks for all the advice as well. If everything goes smoothly. Even though it’s probably not everyone’s taste, I bought it to turn into a Cafe racer. I’m not a huge fan of the style it’s currently at I just don’t care for the huge windscreen.. but I will make a new post with the updated and pictures once I start.
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Re: New Possesion. Rough Running Brick
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2023, 06:42:40 PM »
Update. Rode her around 400 miles. I absolutely love it! The ride is amazing!
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