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Offline szabgab

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Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« on: October 28, 2018, 08:05:54 AM »
Dear all,

This is just a note to be be careful not get charged through the nose by your postal company, if you order stuff from the US to the EU. Also there is a round way, how to avoid this, but you have to have an action plan ahead.

So the background story is this - I have very worn DS splines and rcgreaves offered me a shaft in a lot better condition plus some other bits and bobs, my bike needs. With postage the bill was something like 175USD, a VERY reasonable amount. The parcel left the US promptly and arrived to Hungary, across half of the globe in three days. Since then (7 days and counting) it has been sitting at a local sorting office probably not 15 miles from me and finally I managed to get an answer as to why it is not being delivered. The post office wants me to pay VAT (27% in Hungary), postal charge (15USD, no matter the value) and if the amount is in value over 150 Euros, import duty too (that is another 15%).  Although the postage itself was around 65USD, they include that figure in the taxable amount too. This pisses me off greatly, as a) I have already paid for postage and a sales tax on postage in the US b) it is a very unfair way to collect money. Also the used parts were already taxed, when they made their first journey from Germany to the US. BTW there is no greener way of motoring, than to buy second hand items, which would probably end up in landfill. But what is even more irritating, that I have to snitch on MYSELF, as they do not have the faintest, how much this stuff is worth, but they do have access to bank details and paypal payments, if they want to, so I have to tell them the truth.

This is apparently valid all across Europe, VAT and import duty amounts vary, but the basic principle is the same. If they think, your parcel has got a taxable value, you have to prove, it is not. If I would have known this, I would have paid through paypal in two installments, one lower value not going over the tax threshold and then the rest. Also I would have had two email streams with Clayton (as the post office wants a record of the agreement made between oneself and the seller), one proper, discussing what's what and a dummy one, that would discuss giving parts away for free only for the price of the postage (the lower amount paid through paypal) as gifts qualify for a higher tax free margin (45 Euros is VAT, duty and admin charge free if receiving a present, if you buy stuff, the threshold is a whopping 22 Euros). If you have emails, bank statement and paypal payment summary, you can admit to the lower value and not getting chased for money these f*ckers are not entitled to.
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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postage charge
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 08:33:12 AM »
Wow.

The VAT certainly is extortionatary BS.

As for carrying a separate set of books to deceive EU authorities:-I can imagine the Motobrick admins having that capacity😜but for my part, I would slip up when interrogated by Hungarian secret police “what is the msrp biker punk”.  (That’s Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price).. This is demoralizing -all I wanted to do was help this dude out..

One thing is for certain:  to a man I’m repeatedly impressed by the quality of humanity who self select to hang out here.  After 50 or 60 messages to Budapest I wanna go have a coffee with this guy.  I’ll be sending Gabe my Paypal record to help with his paperwork and watch my door for guys in funny police hats. 
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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postage charge
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 08:34:42 AM »
greetings...

the only way is visegipps and bonesalls...

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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 09:08:58 AM »
I sympathise with you. I live in Costa Rica where everything also has to be tax when entering the country.  I also use a mail forwarding company in Miami because the Costa Rican postal service sucks and the addresses here are crazy.  They are literally directions, normally from a theoretically well know local landmark.  For example 300 m North, 200 East from the old ICE building, green door, on the left!!


Anyway whenever I buy anything in the US I have to pay between 50% and 125% of its value again by the time it gets here in shipping and tax. After 20 years here I am more or less resigned to it but it still stings sometimes.


Luckily you got the part you need at a reasonable cost and can keep the brick on the door so try and see the bright side.



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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2018, 09:33:49 AM »
It's a shame when you have to pay VAT on parts that are nearly 30 years old along with sales tax on the sales tax paid at the point of sale. 

If I can be permitted a bit of somewhat relevant political comment, I would point out that there is a political party here in the U.S. that is attempting to regain control of the congress and senate.  One of their(seldom mentioned) goals is to impose a VAT on the U.S.  If you are planning on voting this November, I would suggest you keep this thread in mind when casting your vote.

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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postage charge
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 06:57:15 PM »
Wow.

The VAT certainly is extortionatary BS.

As for carrying a separate set of books to deceive EU authorities:-I can imagine the Motobrick admins having that capacity😜but for my part, I would slip up when interrogated by Hungarian secret police “what is the msrp biker punk”.  (That’s Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price).. This is demoralizing -all I wanted to do was help this dude out..

One thing is for certain:  to a man I’m repeatedly impressed by the quality of humanity who self select to hang out here.  After 50 or 60 messages to Budapest I wanna go have a coffee with this guy.  I’ll be sending Gabe my Paypal record to help with his paperwork and watch my door for guys in funny police hats.

Ah, the Hungarian secret police was a force to be reckoned with some years ago, now they are part of the ordinary police forces and a joke at times :)

ANyway Clayton, you are ever so kind, if you, or any other bricker for that matter is visiting these shores, just give me a bell, as I am always game for a good coffee and chat :)
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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 07:01:39 PM »
I sympathise with you. I live in Costa Rica where everything also has to be tax when entering the country.  I also use a mail forwarding company in Miami because the Costa Rican postal service sucks and the addresses here are crazy.  They are literally directions, normally from a theoretically well know local landmark.  For example 300 m North, 200 East from the old ICE building, green door, on the left!!


Anyway whenever I buy anything in the US I have to pay between 50% and 125% of its value again by the time it gets here in shipping and tax. After 20 years here I am more or less resigned to it but it still stings sometimes.


Luckily you got the part you need at a reasonable cost and can keep the brick on the door so try and see the bright side.

Just bastards, aren't they? Also I have 20 days to sort this mess out, or they will ship the parcel back to the US, but most definitely they are taking their bloody time. I suppose this is bureaucracy at it's finest, at least I know, who I'm feeding with the double income tax, double import duty etc :)

BTW I am sure Costa Rica is just beautiful but it must be interesting having stuff delivered... I suppose you better not paint your gate just in case the postman will miss it for the next five years :) 
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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2018, 07:05:32 PM »
It's a shame when you have to pay VAT on parts that are nearly 30 years old along with sales tax on the sales tax paid at the point of sale. 

Indeed. Especially that the EU is banging on about it's green credentials but it happily lets you pay double-triple times for used stuff and taxes you off the road if you are driving something, that is older than 10-15 years
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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2018, 11:17:48 PM »
I feel your pain szabgab. Here in the UK our VAT is 20%. Fortunately we do not pay VAT on used spares, only new. Having said that UK Import duties make it expensive for America to post to the UK so all those lovely US parts are uber expensive. Luckily we are nearer to Germany and at the moment still trade as partners. At least until Brexit kicks in.
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Re: Careful not to get stunged by VAT, import duty, postal charge
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2018, 07:16:25 AM »
OK, so parcel arrived today. Traveled across half of the world in three days, and made the final 10-15 miles of it's journey in 17 days. That would be slow even for a bloody turtle. Postman charged me $100 on a parcel, that cost $175 all in all!!! Paypal charged me a tenner on top, so that's a mighty sum of $285, more or less the price of a brand new driveshaft (but I have bought so many other things with the shaft, a clutch boot, swing arm boot, lightly used master cylinder pistons, brake light switch, so I am not whinging, Clayton gave me stuff basically free of charge and it is obviously not his fault, EU imposed some stupid charges).

For that $100 I could have bought a speedo cluster, or all the seals, that are leaking on my bike or treated the lady to a really special dinner, so the moral of the story is, don't let these bastards rob you of money, that does not belong to them... So think beforehand...

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