Author Topic: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?  (Read 5336 times)

Offline Mongrel

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Okay, so a few of you know that I seem to have the worst luck with batteries, going through a new one almost every year. I think I'm at about 11 years with the bike and 7 batteries in that time.

Everything on the bike has been tested as far as load & output, regulator, etc. Did that pretty thoroughly with Ed in fall... 2016 (I think?). It's not an electrical issue with the bike as far as I or anyone else can tell.

I threw away my old manual charger years ago and bought a good quality smart charger - actually a friend gave it to me as a present after I'd lost the first three batteries... ha. I stopped buying cheaper batteries, since they seemed to dry out very easily - possibly the heat of the bike. But even after moving to a glass mat gel battery last spring, (the highly recommended Deka ETX16L), the damn thing is pooched once again! Of course I bought it last march and it had a 1-year warranty, so just in time for it to be a useless brick. Yep. I asked the dealer and it was a no go, and it was a cash sale so I can't go to the manufacturer.
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Anyway, the battery worked great all last year, and seemed to be perfectly fine when I plugged it in around December. It's stored during winter in a closet, which is a bit cramped but certainly not overheated (and there IS space around the battery) and is always on the tender, which as far as I know should work fine (the tender was ALSO tested when we tested the bike) .

Then when it came time to ride this year, I noticed someone had unplugged the tender at some point - could have been a friend plugging in a phone when they visited, or any other visitor. Well crap. Okay, no big deal though, right? Took it out to put it on the bike and it was deader than dead. Okay I guess I just need to charge it up. Wrong. All the tender does now is fry the battery - after a couple days of the battery being on the restore setting, I noticed I could hear it boiling inside... just like the old dead lead-acids I'd had in the past. Even though this was a sealed unit!

So I'm wondering - is it possible that the tender being unplugged BUT the connectors still attached to the contacts would have formed a circuit and ruinously discharged the battery? I wouldn't have thought so, but I'm (supposedly) only using high-quality stuff at every point in the chain, and I've ruled out everything else as far as I can tell.

'Cause I mean, I got no damn idea what's wrong at this point, other than I'm still pretty sure it's not the bike.
               
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Offline Martin

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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2018, 04:18:22 PM »
What amperage rate does your charger run at, can it be switched between charge rates. Trickle chargers will not charge up a dead battery they don't have enough output.
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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2018, 04:19:17 PM »
It's entirely possible for a trickle of current to backflow through an unpowered charger.  They have voltage monitoring circuitry to control the charge rate that will draw a couple ma.  Doesn't sound like much, but they add up over a long period of time.  3 months at 5 ma is about 15 amp hours and a dead battery that will have eaten it's internals.
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Offline Mongrel

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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2018, 05:31:38 PM »
What amperage rate does your charger run at, can it be switched between charge rates. Trickle chargers will not charge up a dead battery they don't have enough output.
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It's fixed at 2 Amps output.
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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 05:37:58 PM »
Another question is:: Is the charger rated for the battery type you are using it with..... not all smart chargers are that "smart" to use on just any type battery.
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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 06:06:45 PM »
2 amps is not enough to bring a totally dead battery back to life. I have two chargers a smart trickle charger that I have mounted to the garage door motor and is plugged into the power point that supplies the motor. The wires can hang down from the ceiling and either charge the car or the brick. My other charger is switchable between 2 amps and 7.5 amps. My trickle charger is incapable of charging a dead battery and I have to use my other charger on the 7.5 amp charge rate to restore a charge in a dead flat battery.
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Offline Mongrel

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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 04:20:19 AM »
Well, I can always give it a try. The battery's a loss at the moment, so no harm.

Another question is:: Is the charger rated for the battery type you are using it with..... not all smart chargers are that "smart" to use on just any type battery.

As far as I know it is... been a while since I got it. I think if something wasn't right in terms of output that would have come up when we tested it last year?
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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2018, 07:41:51 AM »
Some smart chargers illuminate a LED when you connect the battery up to them.  This is an indicator that you have the polarity of the clips on the battery correct.  It is entirely possible that this LED drained your battery over time, as Gryph pointed out.
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Offline Mongrel

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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2018, 10:39:37 AM »
Some smart chargers illuminate a LED when you connect the battery up to them.  This is an indicator that you have the polarity of the clips on the battery correct.  It is entirely possible that this LED drained your battery over time, as Gryph pointed out.

Yep, mine has several. One for "maintenance", one for "charging/recovery attempt" and a nice big red one for "You done fucked up!" (wrong polarity).

It's entirely possible that I looked at it several times in the winter and saw the green "maintenance" light, not realizing the thing was unplugged and figured everything was okay.

Going to try a 7.5A trickle recovery as was mentioned, and if that doesn't work, I guess I'll give Glen a call.
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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2018, 04:29:27 PM »
My previous charger that put out 6 amps would also recover a battery albeit a bit slower.
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Re: Could an unplugged smart battery tender destroy a battery?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2018, 06:59:09 PM »
I've found that the low and slow charging from battery tenders keep my batteries charged up and lasting a long time.


The Deltran battery tenders I have, one with a BMW logo puts out 1.25 amps and the smaller one at .75 amps.  The LEDs are red and green with a flashing red indicating it is not hooked up properly, flashing red is charging, flashing green is charge at 80%, solid green is fully charged. 


I always have at least one of my bikes on a tender and sometimes two if I haven't ridden in a while (not often).  So far my two Odessy AGM batteries at at 6 and 8 years old while the sealed Panasonic is at 5 years.

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