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Offline pinhead

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difficulty removing old oil filter
« on: February 23, 2018, 08:04:44 PM »
I changed the oil last time with a tune up kit which included oil filter and oil I got from beemer boneyard.  I just tried to remove the oil filter and when I put the tool on it, it just slips.  It does not turn the oil filter.  Anyone ever encounter this problem and know of a solution?  thanks
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Offline Inge K.

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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 08:16:15 PM »
Drill two (or more) holes through the bottom of the tool and filter, insert self tapping screws.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 08:24:37 PM »
+1 on screwing the wrench to the filter
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 08:32:05 PM »
I like this technique, for its dramatic effect.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2018, 08:49:21 PM »
Or you could maybe put something in the cup of of the filter wrench to tighten up the fit.  I think I used a thin rag and it was enough to get the filter turning. 
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2018, 08:59:43 PM »
Quote from: bizzaro on February 23, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Or you could maybe put something in the cup of of the filter wrench to tighten up the fit. 
j o recommended sandpaper in one thread.
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Offline pinhead

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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 03:10:56 AM »
I will try the sandpaper.  I tried the rag already.  The first filter change I did on this bike was easy, even though the filter was on a long time.  It was a BMW filter and the walls of the steel was thicker and stronger with no deflection. 
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 05:21:59 AM »
Quote from: pinhead on February 24, 2018, 03:10:56 AM
The first filter change I did on this bike was easy. . .
Your difficulty now likely means you over-tightened the filter then. The Boneyard supplies Mahle filters in their kits and they should work if you have the proper OEM wrench. Hi-Flo filters will work with that wrench, too. There should be no difficulty removing a used filter. Oil changes should be done on engines that have been run up to operating temperature. If sandpaper inside the wrench doesn't grip enough to remove the filter, the screws-through-the-filter-wrench-and-into-the-filter method should work. 
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 09:01:25 AM »
Make sure that when you do get the filter out, that the o-ring comes with it..... before you put the new one on.
I've had an o-ring stick to the block before.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 09:03:06 AM »
How tight are you going when you install your filters?   WIth oil on the gasket you only need to go another 1/4 turn once you feel the resistance to turning.  You are not tightening a nut.

One of the problems with the way the filter is installed on these engines is that you can't really install it without the wrench.  That is bad because you can't really feel how much torque you're using.  Makes it too easy to overtighten.

I replaced a mechanic who overtightened oil filters with a wrench on all the boats he worked on.  My first year there, I destroyed over 50 filters trying to get them off.  Oil changes took me over 2 hours most of which was screwing around with the filters.  I spent a lot of time in engine compartments cursing that guy.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 02:14:57 PM »
I did not over tighten this oil filter.  The problem is the top of the filter is flimsy and soft steel.  When I first put the wrench on it, I was not able to apply any torque before the end cap began slipping.  Regarding the surface of the end cap of the filter, you can push it in with your finger if you push hard enough.  No way after 3000 miles of running, exposure to heat that it would stand up to the standard bmw endcap wrench.  I have read on this board others who bought filters from beemer boneyard had same problem.  And no, they are not mahle they are bosch.  I bought their six pack deal (which I hope I can return) and they are bosch also.  Walmart, I believe, sells bosch filters.  Junk.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2018, 03:17:50 PM »
Quote from: pinhead on February 24, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
I did not over tighten this oil filter. 
Of course you didn't.

At least you now know how to remove it and what not to get.  :2thumbup:
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2018, 05:42:50 PM »
I'll put in my plug for Hi-Flo oil filters that re-enforces Laitch's earlier recommendation.  I bought a box full of them many moons ago and they've worked a treat.  Cheap as chips to boot.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2018, 06:19:42 PM »
Quote from: pinhead on February 24, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
  The problem is the top of the filter is flimsy and soft steel.  .....  I bought their six pack deal (which I hope I can return) Junk.

in the interest of preserving BBY's good name, I've never heard of filters being graded by the quality of their sheet metal.  Glue, relief valve, filtering media and density.  Fram seem to take the blunt of online abuse for cheaply made filters.  So long as they don't leak, flake off (Fram's grippy stuff) blow out or get stuck on I'm ok with just about any of them.  I have a selection of filter wrenches due to my inclination to use whatever fits, always been able to find one that works.  :riding:
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2018, 10:54:17 PM »
So as I understand you,  you have crushed the end of the filter that the wrench fits over?  I have used the same filters you have from BBY.  I did not find the filter to be the problem, but the wrench would slip as the flutes are pretty shallow on the wrench and the filter!   If you know this going into it, you can snug up the fit  by reducing the size of the wrench with a light rag in the cup of the wrench when you remove the filter. I would shy away from sandpaper, but that is just me.  Maybe some crocus cloth where the abrasive surface is bonded much better to it's backing.  Good luck. Be patient.  You may need to get creative. 
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2018, 11:03:44 PM »
Jam a long screwdriver through the side of the filter and twist.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2018, 11:35:50 PM »
Quote from: rbm on February 24, 2018, 11:03:44 PM
Jam a long screwdriver through the side of the filter and twist.


This is the method that I have used without fail for the few times that I've  had this problem.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2018, 11:59:35 PM »
Quote from: rbm on February 24, 2018, 11:03:44 PM
Jam a long screwdriver through the side of the filter and twist.

I have tried this with auto filters and if they are really stuck on, it just tears the filter up and makes a mess of things.  YMMV :dunno
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2018, 01:24:10 AM »
Any filter that is going into a blind hole and is as flimsy as the bosch ones I have are means you are not going to wind up with anything but trouble.  Gripping the filter by its last 1/2-1 inch end with a few ripples to engage the tool requires stronger wall strength than a filter on a car where a strap wrench has access.  Gee I wonder if the reason why you pay $23 for a BMW oil filter.   might be that there is really something different about it?  Just a thought......
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2018, 02:04:16 AM »
Never had any trouble with Mann MW712's. Supposedly one of the original suppliers.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2018, 05:48:11 AM »
After all these tightening techniques using special wrenches or tools why not just hand tighten the filter? I have 2 K bikes both high milage and that's my method. No rocket science in it at all, just keep it simple,  that's it.

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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2018, 06:55:43 AM »
Quote from: wally.fisher on February 25, 2018, 05:48:11 AM
I have 2 K bikes both high milage and that's my method. No rocket science in it at all, just keep it simple,  that's it.
Moving the handle of a ratchet wrench 180º is about as simple as it gets, and not particularly dependent on grip strength.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2018, 07:05:56 AM »
Quote from: Laitch on February 25, 2018, 06:55:43 AM
Moving the handle of a ratchet wrench 180º is about as simple as it gets, and not particularly dependent on grip strength.
Elbow click.

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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2018, 07:10:01 AM »
Quote from: wally.fisher on February 25, 2018, 07:05:56 AM
Elbow click.
Not everybody has crepitus.
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Re: difficulty removing old oil filter
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2018, 07:32:13 AM »
Quote from: Laitch on February 25, 2018, 07:10:01 AM
Not everybody has crepitus.
Conspicuous by its absence.

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