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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2018, 04:25:24 PM »
Good point, Martin. It's about 5 cm in diameter. Basically the same as the rear main seal. Any help?


Can't find it to replace anywhere,so wondering if necessary or they just don't make it anymore...
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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2018, 04:29:59 PM »
Good point, Martin. It's about 5 cm in diameter - the same as the rear main seal. Couldn't find it anywhere to replace and didn't come with the replacement RMS, so do I need it?
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Offline Martin

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2018, 04:36:57 PM »
If you look at the new seal you should see where the spring is incorporated into it's construction. It is an integral part of the seal, it's job is to push the lip of the seal against the shaft.
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Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #78 on: March 02, 2018, 04:39:18 PM »
The spring is part of the seal.  The new replacement will have that spring as part of it.   The spring squeezes the lip of the seal against the surface of the clutch hub.  I assume you are replacing the seal now because the spring can't be put back into the seal.
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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2018, 04:47:54 PM »
I was in there to replace the rear main seal, but couldn't find reference to the spring part of it. I have a new RMS and don't see a spring integrated into it anywhere, but it looks like a different design.
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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2018, 04:56:53 PM »
So last silly question then it's beer thirty... as mentioned, I forgot to drain the engine oil so now it's slowing coming out front about 8, 6 and 4 o'clock behind where the rear main seal will sit. Can someone confirm for me that's normal and it's the rear main seal's job to hold that oil back from skuzzin' up my clutch?


Thanks a heap...
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Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2018, 05:24:13 PM »
Yes, there is a bit of oil back there that needs to be kept away from the clutch.  There are the gears that connect the crank with the output shaft as well as the drive gears for the starter and the alternator.  They all have splash and bath lubrication so there is going to be a fair bit of oil splashing around there that will slowly drain back to the oil pan when the engine is shut down.
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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2018, 05:34:27 PM »
Most appreciated, Gryphon! Got the seal stuffed in there and looks like it's almost time to start putting pieces back on the beast! Spring ain't far...
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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2018, 10:39:38 AM »
Quote from: technostructural on May 09, 2017, 12:45:33 PM

I am about to centre my clutch for the purposes of putting the transmission back together,and I must say that this has me worried. I've got a 6mm philips screwdriver with a taped section on it that matches the clutch splines perfectly. The screwdriver is long enough to go through the spring plate and into the clutch nut/crankshaft. That should centre everything properly, right?

I would buy the tool, but with shipping and exchange rates, it would be basically $45 for me. It seems like many Motobrickers here have used home made tools for this. Any comments on how precise we have to be when lining this up?


So I about to get the transmission back on and am having similar thoughts to technostructural even with the tool. The tool fits all the way through the spring plate, but gets a little caught up at the point. Should that go in there real easy? Or will things balance out once the centrifugal force gets it moving around... as long as the transmission goes on without too much fuss... ?
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Offline Laitch

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2018, 12:01:14 PM »
Quote from: restinthesun on March 03, 2018, 10:39:38 AM
So I about to get the transmission back on and am having similar thoughts to technostructural even with the tool. The tool fits all the way through the spring plate, but gets a little caught up at the point. Should that go in there real easy? Or will things balance out once the centrifugal force gets it moving around... as long as the transmission goes on without too much fuss... ?
Things don't balance out with centrifugal force. You aren't adjusting clothes in a washing machine with a wring cycle here.

Watch Chris Harris Harris's video  beginning at minute 4:09 as he and his employee tighten the clutch assembly.

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Offline woodgeek

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2018, 12:30:44 PM »
Quote from: Laitch on March 03, 2018, 12:01:14 PM
Watch Chris Harris Harris's as he and his employee tighten the clutch assembly. Things don't balance out with centrifugal force. You aren't adjusting clothes in a washing machine with a wring cycle here.

Watch this video beginning at 4:09.

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Offline restinthesun

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2018, 05:32:26 PM »
I ended up taking the clutch pack apart again and got the tool spinning much easier. Threw a bunch of silly-con in there (joke) and of course I stripped one of the new screws in the process.  Substituted one of the old ones. Hopefully don't fly out.


Thanks for the support. Epic deep dive into the K-bike. Got the battery back in and she starts. Now to check if all the mechanisms work appropo. 
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Offline jjs1234

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Re: My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2018, 01:54:05 AM »
Nevermind.
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Offline woodgeek

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My First (Full) Spline Lube
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2018, 02:02:59 AM »
Viton or Buna/nitrile for anything encountering oil or fuel. EPDM for brake fluid.

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