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Title: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on May 21, 2011, 03:41:49 PM
In my opinion this is the best mod you can do to a K bike.  I've installed the Audiovox CCS-100 on eight different K bikes (make that nine, I just remembered another one) and can't imagine riding without it if I don't have to.  There are four main benefits to it from my perspective:



You can do it the "old-fashioned" way using the Audiovox control pad that comes with it:

Or you can do it the uber-cool frankenduck way and implement it with a BMW OEM windscreen switch:

Attached to this post are two files:

1) A PDF file of my write-up on how I like to install the CCS-100 on the various classic K bike models.

2) A PDF copy of the Audiovox CCS-100 Installation Manual for reference purposes.

IMPORTANT UPDATE:  At the top of Page 5 where it tells you to drill a hole in the tail cowl it should say front RIGHT corner, not front left corner.  I'll update that and remake the PDF soon.


POINT OF INTEREST(6/8/11):  Somebody posted this over on ADVrider.com:

Quote
i thought that this might be of interest to anyone considering installing a cruise control. i have been working on installing an electricaly actuated cruise control to replace my older vacume one. i made the assumption that the electronic would be much smaller than the older cruise control. when i opened the the box i was suprised to say the least- it appered that the elect one was bigger!!! today i had the chance to measure both...the vacume was 40cubic inches...the electronic one 49. this makes the electronic one a little harder to find a spot on an motorcycle. in all fairness, if the installer is going to install a vacume resivor, then the volume does get much bigger, but the reservoir/cruise control combo. can be installed between two spaces, unlike the electrionic. bottom line is-there's no savings in size-going to electric


edit by scott_ 10-12-13 to update missing photo's
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: leecow on May 21, 2011, 05:38:41 PM
Thanks Duck. Definitely on my list. The audiovox unit seems to be getting a bit more expensive to acquire. Did notice the following on fleabay. Claims to be "the same".

 http://m.ebay.com/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?aid=370511230880&emvAD=320x646&sv=audiovox (http://m.ebay.com/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?aid=370511230880&emvAD=320x646&sv=audiovox) ccs100&emvcc=0

Since you have much hands-on experience with the ccs100 would you mind eyeballing the auction and commenting?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on May 21, 2011, 06:08:24 PM
The Fleabay pic looks good to me.  Looks identical to the real thing.  I'd think that's pretty safe since if there are any problems Fleabay/PayPal almost always side with the buyer should there be a dispute.

Murph's kits has them too: http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=422 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=422)
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: leonp24 on May 21, 2011, 07:16:20 PM
As always, the BEST write up.  I'm also a little happy I bought the Audiovox units I have a few years ago.  I've just opened one to install on my K100RS (aka, FrankenBIKE).  Would anyone like the "leftover" unit I won't use?  Still in the sealed box, about 2 years old...I'd planned on putting it in a pickup I've since sold.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on May 21, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Quote from: johnny on May 21, 2011, 11:23:37 PM
i am interested in your unit...

That's what he tells all of the guys.....

Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on January 31, 2012, 07:45:52 PM
Duck....I am currently doing the install.  Two quick questions:

1.  Can you describe in a little more detail how you affix the hangmans noose to the throttle bar?  Not enough resolution in your pic for me to get a good eyeball on it.  Is the noose actually going over the bar assembly or are you relying on the tie wrap?

2.  Having trouble locating the gray/green rear brake light wire on the right side under the battery cover.  I see green/yellow but no gray/green.  I have attached a picture of the right side.  I thought you could point me to the correct area.

Thanks...Bob
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on January 31, 2012, 08:08:59 PM
Duck...one more question I forgot.  The green input wire from the windscreen switch, are you saying to hook that into the same positap connector already installed near the white alarm connector in the relay box, or should I install another positap in that same line (so there would be a total of two)?  I was unsure if one positap could handle two wires.  Thanks....
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Inge K. on January 31, 2012, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: BobR on January 31, 2012, 07:45:52 PM
2.  Having trouble locating the gray/green rear brake light wire on the right side under the battery cover.  I see green/yellow but no gray/green.  I have attached a picture of the right side.  I thought you could point me to the correct area.

Thanks...Bob

You probably have found the right connector, from the switch it`s two wires...
one green and one yellow.
On the harness side of this connector it`s one gray/green wire and one green/black wire.

Inge K.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on January 31, 2012, 08:55:54 PM
1) Loop the beaded wire around the bar and through the noose and then hold it in place with a small zip-tie.

2) Disconnect the rear brake switch.  Turn the bike on (kill switch straight up) and test both terminals on the  main wiring harness side of them connector.  The one the isn't hot (12V+) is the one you want to hook the purple wire to.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 01, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
ok, got it, thanks.  couple more quick items:

1.  The green input wire from the windscreen switch, are you saying to hook that into the same positap connector already installed near the white alarm connector in the relay box, or should I install another positap in that same line (so there would be a total of two)?  I was unsure if one positap could handle two wires.

2.  For the wires going into the relay box, how do you route them into the box?  Do you feed them through the area with the main harness towards the front of the box, slip them under the cover, or drill a new hole in the box?

Thanks..
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on February 01, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: BobR on February 01, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
ok, got it, thanks.  couple more quick items:

1.  The green input wire from the windscreen switch, are you saying to hook that into the same positap connector already installed near the white alarm connector in the relay box, or should I install another positap in that same line (so there would be a total of two)?  I was unsure if one positap could handle two wires.

2.  For the wires going into the relay box, how do you route them into the box?  Do you feed them through the area with the main harness towards the front of the box, slip them under the cover, or drill a new hole in the box?

Thanks..

1) Either way - depending upon what size PosiTap you're using.

2) I usually route them where the main wiring harness goes. (Use can use some dykes to cut a little slot in the rubber.)
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2012, 09:03:19 AM
Has anyone run the servo cable up the left rail vice the right rail and around the top of the radiator?  I have the servo positioned behind the ABS control unit on a 91 K100RS, and am coming up a few inches short when I route it up the right side.  Thanks..
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: johnny on February 06, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
my unit is under the knee panel up by the gasometer... my cable makes a figure 8 under the frame rails in the radiator fan compartment under the gas tank...

j o
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2012, 11:04:22 AM

my unit is under the knee panel up by the gasometer... my cable makes a figure 8 under the frame rails in the radiator fan compartment under the gas tank...

j o

I just tried this on my 91 K100RS and the width of the space underneath the knee panel is a little too narrow for the servo to go down far enough not to interfere with the knee panel.  What model bike do you have?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: johnny on February 06, 2012, 11:31:19 AM
 rodger that... too narrow...

on the bug... a 94k1100rs... i used snips to cut away the innard metal piece that hooks to the gasometer bracket... made for a nice fit...

on the burd... a 96k1100rs... i made a bow in said metal piece for a snug fit...

 the reason mines is in the fairing and in a figure eight is it wont fit under my seat and i needed to take up the slack with lazy loops...



j o
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2012, 01:40:04 PM
got it, thanks Johnny....much appreciated...
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2012, 02:03:52 PM
I think I am going to put the servo in back of the ABS control unit like before, but point it to the left vice the right, and run it up the left side bike frame rail, loop it back from the radiator through the hole in the frame corner, to the bracket.  A little excess cable at the top, but I think it will mash down nicely under the tank.  If anyone sees any issues with this, please let me know.  There may be a good reason others have gone up the right side that I am overlooking.  thanks..
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on February 06, 2012, 02:20:38 PM
Try to avoid having any sharp bends in the servo cable.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2012, 03:50:17 PM
I see.  I checked the audiovox manual and found one picture where it showed the servo cable and specified a minimum 4" radius on the curve.  I checked and with this arrangement I am proposing I definitely have a less than 4" radius curve.  It got me thinking though, and with the servo mounted aft of the ABS control module and pointed either right or left, the cable has to make a sharp, small radius turn to get oriented towards the front.  The loop I have at the front of the bike around the bracket area is much larger than this, so if this sharp bend coming out of the servo does not seem to be a problem for others with the rear mounting, than I am thinking I will be ok with the one in the front????   sound logic or not?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on February 06, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: BobR on February 06, 2012, 02:03:52 PM
I think I am going to put the servo in back of the ABS control unit like before, but point it to the left vice the right, and run it up the left side bike frame rail, loop it back from the radiator through the hole in the frame corner, to the bracket.  A little excess cable at the top, but I think it will mash down nicely under the tank.  If anyone sees any issues with this, please let me know.  There may be a good reason others have gone up the right side that I am overlooking.  thanks..

Sounds good. I located mine between the airbox and the radiator, there's a little cubby hole there, and just ziptied it in place. The cable routes thru the frame and makes a big loop in the fairing and is mashed down by the tank. No issues, just don't get too sharp of a bend in the cable.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2012, 07:37:04 PM
ok, good to know about the other option.  I have attached two pictures on my proposed cable routing with the bends.  What do you think about these bends?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Rick G on February 06, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
I ran mine up the right rail and across to the left just behind the steering head and over the left rail and down to the bracket which is mounted to the rear hole that is already there in the bracing section.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Barbacks Obmamma on February 06, 2012, 07:52:23 PM
Nice prayer rug under that part white and part black motobrick.  I have one just like it.  We have allot in common.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on March 21, 2012, 08:02:17 PM
Guys....just took the bike on a test drive after installing the cruise control.  Everything checked out just fine...worked like a charm...  Thanks for all your help, and particularly Duck who started the whole thing.  What a great mod...Looks like OEM with the left side switch with the windscreen switch......
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: johnny on March 21, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
100% yeeeeeehaaaaaaaa there bobr...

j o
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Brickhead on March 21, 2012, 09:22:50 PM
Did it to mine last year, works like a charm. I got the LT control head but haven't put it in yet.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: BobR on March 30, 2012, 08:53:39 AM
One problem surfaced on a more extended trip Saturday.  It won't hold a speed greater than ~ 65 mph.  My first thought is the servo is running out of travel, which means I may have too much slack in the chain at the zero position.  Only other thing I can think of would be it is  not getting enough vacuum at the higher speeds necessary to maintain the more extreme throttle position.  Thoughts???
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Brickhead on March 30, 2012, 09:01:14 AM
Checking the chain is easy. Make sure it is not getting
hung up on something if chain has a lot of play.
Next might be the vacuum. Did you install
the check valve in the vacuum line? Mine works fine
without the canister so maybe a loose connection.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on March 30, 2012, 12:56:25 PM
Higher speeds = more vacuum.

I'd guess it's a chain issue or something.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: wmax351 on April 11, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
Could also be the PPM setting. You can try raising it.

Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on April 11, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: wmax351 on April 11, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
Could also be the PPM setting. You can try raising it.

I doubt that's it.  I've used the same setting on every one that I've installed.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: wmax351 on April 11, 2012, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: frankenduck on April 11, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: wmax351 on April 11, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
Could also be the PPM setting. You can try raising it.

I doubt that's it.  I've used the same setting on every one that I've installed.

I read of that problem on a miata: Couldn't go over 52 mph without upping the setting. Easy to check too, even if it is not the likely cause.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: wmax351 on April 12, 2012, 09:08:01 PM
I am thinking of making a cruise control as a project (to learn avr programming). I plan to use an arduino/avr microcontroller, and a large model aircraft servo motor, or a stepper motor. Should be able to make a much smaller form factor, for under 30 dollars and a bit of time.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on April 16, 2012, 01:38:59 PM
I have been thinking of making my now obsolete radio remote in to the cruise controls for sometime now but can't find it in the radio wiring diagrams. Anyone know a source for the radio remote wiring diagrams?
I would make the seek buttons the on/off and volume button accel/coast functions.
Clymers does the radio but not the remote.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Scott_ on April 16, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
Just get your ohm meter out an start playing......... :2thumbup:
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on April 16, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Scott_ on April 16, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
Just get your ohm meter out an start playing......... :2thumbup:

Thanks Scott, I just was hopin' that I wouldn't have to do that. :hmm:
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 03, 2012, 11:46:11 PM
Could someone give me some clarification on where the blue wire connects to?  From the ducks' instructions "connect to outer wire on rear coil".

Just making sure I tap the correct wire here.  Thx!
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on May 04, 2012, 12:02:28 AM
Each coil has a two wire connector attached to the bottom of it.  Tap the blue wire into the outer wire of the rear coil.  The outer one is the one closest to you.

This is on a K75 but it's the same deal:

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/smithduck/k75f/k75f_046.jpg)
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 04, 2012, 09:38:52 AM
Quote from: frankenduck on May 04, 2012, 12:02:28 AM
Each coil has a two wire connector attached to the bottom of it.  Tap the blue wire into the outer wire of the rear coil.  The outer one is the one closest to you.

Thanks,  So in this picture, it'd be the green wire that's closest to me...

(http://i.imgur.com/aMFwsl.jpg)
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on May 04, 2012, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: sh00ter on May 04, 2012, 09:38:52 AM
Thanks,  So in this picture, it'd be the green wire that's closest to me...

Yup.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Inge K. on May 04, 2012, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: mystic red on April 16, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Scott_ on April 16, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
Just get your ohm meter out an start playing......... :2thumbup:

Thanks Scott, I just was hopin' that I wouldn't have to do that. :hmm:

Just in cause you didn`t find your ohm meter.........or still have some resistance against using it.
A bit late....but it might help others with the same idea.

Inge K.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 07:27:15 PM
Thank you very much Inge K. I have been procrastinating. I thought there had to be a schematic out there somewhere and I have more faith in it than my limited skills with the ohm meter. :biggrin: Where did you find it?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Inge K. on May 04, 2012, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 07:27:15 PM
Where did you find it?

No idea, just download whatever could become useful, but don`t keep in record where everything is found.
Often much of these things is found just by coincidence, when searching for something else.

Yes, having the diagram at hand usually makes it a bit easier..........on the connector you have a NC pin
.................and sit there measuring................what the f... is the use for this pin.

Inge K.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
Quote
....on the connector you have a NC pin
.................and sit there measuring................what the f... is the use for this pin.

Exactly, my first step would have to be to lop that pin off! :laugh
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 04, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I'm having a heckuva time figuring out where to put the servo that doesn't require major surgery to either the tail cowl, side fairing, etc.  I have the stock seat - just gotta be a place where the servo can go that just works.   Has anyone put it between the air box and the radiator - without it sitting on top of the block?  Just looking for ideas .. appreciate any suggestions...   :dunno2:
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: johnny on May 04, 2012, 10:49:01 PM
greetings sh00ter...

mines is under the left faring trim panel directly under the fuel gauge...

gotta finesse it... then force it... then finesse it...

j o
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: sh00ter on May 04, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I'm having a heckuva time figuring out where to put the servo that doesn't require major surgery to either the tail cowl, side fairing, etc.  I have the stock seat - just gotta be a place where the servo can go that just works.   Has anyone put it between the air box and the radiator - without it sitting on top of the block?  Just looking for ideas .. appreciate any suggestions...   :dunno2:

That's where I put mine and just zip tied it in place. Been there for 3 or 4 years now.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on May 04, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
And it hasn't melted yet? It's gotta be as hot as Hades down there....

(Been thinkin' about moving my K1100RS unit down there so that I can run some different seats on it.)
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: frankenduck on May 04, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
And it hasn't melted yet? It's gotta be as hot as Hades down there....

(Been thinkin' about moving my K1100RS unit down there so that I can run some different seats on it.)

Nope, if the zip ties can survive I guess a servo can....
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 05, 2012, 07:59:47 AM
Quote from: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: frankenduck on May 04, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
And it hasn't melted yet? It's gotta be as hot as Hades down there....

(Been thinkin' about moving my K1100RS unit down there so that I can run some different seats on it.)

Nope, if the zip ties can survive I guess a servo can....

Thank you! Any chance you could fire a photo of that puppy and where you routed the cable?  Seems like the best place, minus the heat.  :yes
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on May 05, 2012, 10:28:49 AM
Don't want to remove body parts to take pics but let me go refresh my memory a bit and I'll describe it in detail.
As for the heat, I figured the servo had to built to survive hot places. Look where it has to live in a car. And I think I went thru the instructions looking for them to tell me to keep it away from as much heat as possible but it never happened.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 05, 2012, 11:06:29 AM
Quote from: mystic red on May 05, 2012, 10:28:49 AM
Don't want to remove body parts to take pics but let me go refresh my memory a bit and I'll describe it in detail.
As for the heat, I figured the servo had to built to survive hot places. Look where it has to live in a car. And I think I went thru the instructions looking for them to tell me to keep it away from as much heat as possible but it never happened.

much appreciate any assist.  thx!
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 31, 2012, 09:33:08 AM
Quote from: mystic red on May 05, 2012, 10:28:49 AM
Don't want to remove body parts to take pics but let me go refresh my memory a bit and I'll describe it in detail.
As for the heat, I figured the servo had to built to survive hot places. Look where it has to live in a car. And I think I went thru the instructions looking for them to tell me to keep it away from as much heat as possible but it never happened.

Hey Red - if you think of any specifics, would be much appreciated -- I'm going to attempt this again today/tomorrow.   Thx!!
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on May 31, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
OK shOOter, pull all the right hand inner fairing ch!t. (knee pad, glove box, rubber air restrictor) Now grab your cruise servo and wriggle it down in front of the air box with the cable pointed back atcha. It'll just barely fit. There's only one place it can go. I snaked the vacuum line under the frame as well as the electrical to get to the left side. The cable comes out and turns towards the front of the bike, inside the fairing, and makes a big loop around the front to hook to the throttle bodies. Make sure to secure it in a couple of places so it doesn't rub something life threatening. :yow It fits on the left between the gas tank and the frame. I just zip tied the servo in place. It evidently doesn't need to be rock solid to work but you can anchor it pretty well with the ties. You may find a better way to do all this once you find the sweet spot but that's the readers digest version of how I did it.

All disclaimers apply.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on May 31, 2012, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: mystic red on May 31, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
OK shOOter, pull all the right hand inner fairing ch!t. (knee pad, glove box, rubber air restrictor) Now grab your cruise servo and wriggle it down in front of the air box with the cable pointed back atcha. It'll just barely fit. There's only one place it can go. I snaked the vacuum line under the frame as well as the electrical to get to the left side. The cable comes out and turns towards the front of the bike, inside the fairing, and makes a big loop around the front to hook to the throttle bodies. Make sure to secure it in a couple of places so it doesn't rub something life threatening. :yow It fits on the left between the gas tank and the frame. I just zip tied the servo in place. It evidently doesn't need to be rock solid to work but you can anchor it pretty well with the ties. You may find a better way to do all this once you find the sweet spot but that's the readers digest version of how I did it.

All disclaimers apply.

Thank you :)  When I get it to go, I'll send photos .. and the requisite royalty check, of course  :2thumbup:
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mikeinwis on June 02, 2012, 08:34:42 AM
Or you could put the servo in the tail piece behind the rear seat, as I shamelessly ripped off from a guy in Calif.  the cable is long enough.  i velcroed it in place.
Photobucket not working well but will post if you're interested.
Mike
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on June 02, 2012, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: mikeinwis on June 02, 2012, 08:34:42 AM
Or you could put the servo in the tail piece behind the rear seat, as I shamelessly ripped off from a guy in Calif.  the cable is long enough.  i velcroed it in place.
Photobucket not working well but will post if you're interested.
Mike

if you have photos id be interested.  going to hammer it out today.
Title: Cruise Control Behavior
Post by: sh00ter on June 06, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
Hey - all you with the audiovox cruise .... i have some behavioral questions about the cruise .. user error or config problem?

Here's what happens.

When I first fire up the bike, and hit the "set/decel" within a few seconds, the cruise takes over and the bike is set on cruise, everything works fine.

Then I hit brake, clutch, etc. and cruise disengages.   Now, is where it's weird:   Next time I want the cruise to re-engage, I hit the set/coast/decel button and nothing happens, hold it - same story.  If I hit the upper (accel/resume button) and hold it, it will hold the current speed after I hold it for a few secs.

The accel/decel function works just fine (up 1mph, down 1mph, etc.) when the cruise is engaged.   

Any ideas ??
Title: Re: Cruise Control Behavior
Post by: frankenduck on June 06, 2012, 01:40:27 PM
Just tap the up once and it should go back to your prior cruise setting.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on July 17, 2012, 04:19:32 PM
My cruise installation was giving me a little headache, taking different times to engage based on the speed, some were nearly instantaneous, others not so much.  Some of this, I judged was from the off-center angle the cruise cable had to pull on the throttle bodies to engage them.  Furthermore, where I had it mounted previously it did not have enough leverage to pull the throttle from lock to lock (not that you'd ever need it set on full bore)

Anyway, while I had the air intake and injectors off, I decided to rewire it a bit.  So here's where it ended up.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-463WOc3IxWs/UAXFkavhBQI/AAAAAAAADMY/BQdBWC0d-c8/s640/20120716_201130.jpg)

I actually looped the wire around the metal bracket that holds the you-must-not-turn-this-screw by slipping it in between said screw and the wee spring that it presses against.  I zipped it in place and now it pulls nearly parallel to the throttle cable and can engage quickly and reliably at nearly any speed in any gear (above the threshold of say 30 mph). 

I have it zipped to the throttle cable as well as the frame under the gas tank in a couple places, it seems very stable and has no play (important so it can stay engaged and in one place).

Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on July 17, 2012, 07:20:48 PM
Works alright with that much slack?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: frankenduck on July 17, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
You voided your warranty. :hehehe
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: sh00ter on July 17, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
Lol....  Dammit, I was just going to return it for a k1600.   Yes red, it looks worse than it is, but works swell...
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Number 6 on October 17, 2012, 12:02:34 AM
Is there a way to use the stock clutch switch instead of the Audiovox kit?
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: glennpm on March 15, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
Hi,

I installed the cruise a number of years ago in the area just in back of the radiator. i figured this quite a while ago and see that other early K 2 valvers came to the same conclusion.

I started having trouble with my unit and the solonoids and was unable to fix them so just bought a new servo. i think the high heat was a contributor to my failure so I'm looking to now put it in the tail storage area.

Can someone please post a picture of two of installing in this spot and especially where to drill the hole?

Thanks!
Glenn
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: glennpm on March 18, 2013, 08:44:14 AM
Hi,

frankenduck was doing an install and provided some pics to me over the weekend. Thank you!

"Here you go.
1) You want it to come out below the rear hinge.
2) Make sure that you route it under the front hinge pin so that it doesn't get crushed in the hinge.
3) I put wiring to the servo in heat shrink tubing and route it out the back and the up along the left frame rail.  Like the tail lighting wiring goes up the right side.  I run the vacuum hose along with it but not too tightly zip-tied as I don't want to pinch the vacuum hose."
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: noppo on April 18, 2013, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
That's where I put mine and just zip tied it in place. Been there for 3 or 4 years now.

i'm doing this now! Below the seat is not available because of an Ohlin shock module. Haven't a clue about what to zip tie it to :dunno  i've looked and looked, and saw nothing to attach it to in the open space behind radiator fan.

Questions:
What is it tied to?
Regular ziptie?
Does anyone have a pic?
Can anyone generally explain the routing of the cable?

Any help would be great.  Thanks.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: mystic red on April 18, 2013, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: noppo on April 18, 2013, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: mystic red on May 04, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
That's where I put mine and just zip tied it in place. Been there for 3 or 4 years now.

i'm doing this now! Below the seat is not available because of an Ohlin shock module. Haven't a clue about what to zip tie it to :dunno  i've looked and looked, and saw nothing to attach it to in the open space behind radiator fan.

Questions:
What is it tied to?
Regular ziptie?
Does anyone have a pic?
Can anyone generally explain the routing of the cable?

Any help would be great.  Thanks.

No pics...just zip tie it to something...doesn't have to be rock solid cause it wedges in pretty tight anyway. You'll find a spot.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: noppo on June 27, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
Well, after hours of toiling over the K1's new cruise control mod, it's all working and i can now give my bum shoulder (basketball injury) a rest from now on during long rides.  It's a remarkable modification to the K bike.  Frankenduck created a helluva modification for the K bike using the windscreen switch.  i highly recommend it for the untimid installer. 

A gigantic heartfelt THANK YOU shout out to Frankenduck for his unwavering support of my effort to get this installed.

For the next guy who installs the cruise control on his K bike, i learned the following:

* Wiring to the correct wire on the coil.  Double, triple check that you've connected to the right wire. Without the connection to the correct wire, the servo won't engage.  All other connections problems, if you have them, mean nothing until you know the servo will work. It won't work without the right coil wire being connected. And, you can't see an LED response on the servo from the coil wire connection, so check and verify.

* If you have issues, test each connection with your meter 10 times, and write the values down.

* Don't bother test riding the bike until ALL wires check out, and any residual voltage in the brake circuit (purple wire) is kept to a minimum.

* Follow FDs instructions, but also print out the manual on the sellers site for the cruise control unit.  The instructions for the unit contains specifics for how to test each wire for the servo, and are very detailed / helpful.  Not all of the seller's instructions are applicable for a bike install, but pairing FDs instructions with the manual for the cruise control will yield better results.

* The install cannot be done correctly without a voltmeter / multimeter.  You may get lucky without one, but Murphy's law will catch up to you on this one. There are just too many things that can go wrong on this install.

* Posi-taps / Posi-locks are great.  Buy many of them.

* It's not a quick install, and it's not plug-n-play.  Expect to put some time into it.

Hope the above is helpful to any future installers.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: F14CRAZY on June 24, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
I need to troubleshoot mine...it isn't working even though Drake installed it...

I like how my bike is featured in a number of threads, how-to's, ebay ads...
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: subforry on June 25, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: BobR on March 30, 2012, 08:53:39 AM
One problem surfaced on a more extended trip Saturday.  It won't hold a speed greater than ~ 65 mph.  My first thought is the servo is running out of travel, which means I may have too much slack in the chain at the zero position.  Only other thing I can think of would be it is  not getting enough vacuum at the higher speeds necessary to maintain the more extreme throttle position.  Thoughts???

Check or replace the vacuum line.  The servo canister is easy to take apart.  Besides the vacuum diaphragm there is a manifold with valves that is controlled buy the circuit board.  The manifold has rubber o-rings to seal it and the valves use rubber stoppers.
I guess depending on the age climate any of these rubber parts could be cracked.  Murphs' kits sells replacement servo for $80.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: noppo on May 27, 2025, 05:31:05 AM
Hiya!
 
I need some input on some CCS 100 troubleshooting.  The trouble is that it doesn't engage.

My bike has the K1100LT windscreen switch installed to control the cruise control.

Let me ask - when the key is turned on, the tiny red LED light on the servo should be on because Frankenduck's design was for it to stay on when the key is turned on regardless of whether or not A. the servo is engaged, or B. the bike is running, correct?

I can't explain why but when I turn the key on, the tiny red light LED on the servo does not turn on.  However it does turn on when I press the bottom part of the green switch (I hold it for more than 2 seconds), but when I release it, the LED light turns off.  If I remember correctly, it stayed on before when the key was on, but it's been a while.

Also, when I pulled the bike out of storage to get it inspected, the front brake switch was stuck so I used some contact cleaner on the switch and then it seemed to be ok by lighting up the tail light afterwards.

The brakes work fine, and the bike passed inspection last week.  The brake lights are fine too.

Questions:
Any idea why the servo LED light won't turn on when the key is on?  It's been siting for a while, but it started right up after putting a fresh battery in it.
Do you think the front brake switch could still be faulty enough to cause the cruise control servo to not engage?
Any ideas about why it won't engage?  Welcome any / all thoughts!

Thanks!!  112350
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: Scott_ on May 29, 2025, 04:32:08 AM
If you have the older series that uses the engine vacuum, it's possible that the vacuum valve mechanism could be stuck.
I've experienced that with one of my older units.
IIRC I disassembled the 3-way 'valve' from the control board and very carefully did some exploring with a paperclip to free up the part that was stuck.
I re-assembled and all has been well since.
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: noppo on June 02, 2025, 11:01:29 PM
i think the servo is broken. The wire continuity tests work, and i'm getting +12VDC at the servo using the tester for all the right wires, and all other wires check out. The LED will simply not go on when the key is turned on. The LED only turns on when i hit the up or down on the LT switch.  Everything checks out at the relay box's white 4 wire alarm connector.  So, i can only surmise that the servo is simply not responsive.  If anyone has any ideas for how to test this thing further, please do chime in.  I'm all ears.

So at this point, i'm in search of another working servo or a new one.  If anyone knows of one, please send me a personal message via this site.  i have an address for something to be shipped to in the US, and i can pick it up in the future when i get back there, or have it forwarded by those at that address.

Thanks
Title: Re: BEST MOD: Installing an Audiovox CCS-100 Cruise Control on a K Bike
Post by: noppo on June 04, 2025, 12:13:29 AM
The servo ain't broken!  The cruise control works now.  If you ask me how or why I can only give you my guesses because I swear I did nothing to it.  All I did was check wire continuity and the voltage of all the wires of the servo.  So, my guess is that the engine got hot today ( not excessive, but enough for the fan to come on and stay on in city traffic for a while ) and that did the trick to free up any mechanism in the servo that was either stuck or hung up thereby preventing the cruise control from engaging.  I shouted for joy in my helmet once it engaged, and I'm sure that somebody next to me heard it cuz I yelled in excitement.  Having cruise control on that K1 keeps my shoulder injury from playing high school basketball in check as I can give my right arm a break thereby preventing pain during the ride.  Ain't nothing like it.

When I took the bike to get it inspected last month the temperature was not hot outside. It was at the end of spring, and not yet summer weather so the fan only kicked in once or twice going to the inspection facility and back.  But today it's hot and the bike got warm.  Anyway that's my guess.

I hope the above can be useful to somebody who has one of these on their K bikes and they let it sit for a while before riding it again.  If you expect to use the cruise control again, give it a whirl, but if it doesn't engage let the bike get real hot for a while and try it again.

Thanks all. 4265249878