Great post! I wish I had read it sooner as I found out all of these things myself. The eBay 51251243275 key does in fact need to be folded to work correctly. It's kind of tough for the helmet lock although mine seems to work in my luggage without folding. The SR61N has a nub on it that will need to be ground off unless the locksmith catches it. The Y61 is a much better fit and I found them for cheap at ekeyblanks.com for like $2.50 each shipped. I did find the correct BMW emblem folding key #51 25 1 453 659 at http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494 (http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494) for $13.00 shipped.
Great post! I wish I had read it sooner as I found out all of these things myself. The eBay 51251243275 key does in fact need to be folded to work correctly. It's kind of tough for the helmet lock although mine seems to work in my luggage without folding. The SR61N has a nub on it that will need to be ground off unless the locksmith catches it. The Y61 is a much better fit and I found them for cheap at ekeyblanks.com for like $2.50 each shipped. I did find the correct BMW emblem folding key #51 25 1 453 659 at http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494 (http://www.motorwestmotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=494) for $13.00 shipped.
Hey Joe the site says these keys are used on "R" models, worked fine on your K? The real deal if that's the case.
I cross referenced it from other sources. I didn't get it cut yet but it looks right! I'll post here when I do.
The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.
For Rs and Ks:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659 (http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659)
The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.
For Rs and Ks:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659 (http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659)
Bingo :2thumbup:
The 659 is the right key. It's the one shown at the very top of this page.
For Rs and Ks:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659 (http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref.do?part=51251453659)
Bingo :2thumbup:
Yup! Got it cut and it works great! They have three in stock. Shipping was only about $2.
That is an awesome cross reference page! Bookmarking that for sure. Thanks Frankenduck!
Welp, just in time for this trip to Cally, the locksmith from whom I've been trying to orders keys in our one horse town here told me that the blanks that he could get for my K75 were made from steel, and that he did not have a machine that could cut them. :swear:If you are not sure you have a original key is nearly unworn condition ask the dealer to order you a key from the VIN. Will take 2-4 days but it is a key that has factory cut. Put it away as a master. The keys I had for my new to me bike were either worn or copies of worn keys and the dealer could not get a copy to work. I didnt even realize the keys I had could not get the key to turn to the parking light position.
Guess I'll be makin' the rounds of BMW bendover-ships in our travels to see what can be done, as I have one onliest key in the entire world for my whip, which I feel I should be sleeping with on a lanyard 'round my neck.
I know this thread is old, but am going through this key exercise, tried the ILCO X109 FT43 route and no go, am going to try the ILCO Y61 trial tomorrow. Am doing a complete spring checkup and thought I'd better get some spare keys, the PO only had one set, one key (Neiman GKS) for the ignition and rear side luggage, a different key (folding BMW) for the fuel filler and front storage compartments. As I have the bike in a very advanced state of disassembly I can't take it to the locksmith so I guess it's trial and error time. Luckily, it's not a Land Rover...I have not tried the ILCO blanks and have gone to the BMW dealer to have both folding and straight keys cut, works every time and they don't wear down like the brass.
Thanks, the closest dealer is an hour's drive away and they would have to order in the blanks, I just want a spare set. If I get really desperate I'll go for the steel specials from a dealer...I wish my dealer was only an hour away.
Apparently the dealer can't cut the keys? I am not sure, but I'm not paying $50 for a key! The saga continues...It has been a while but if I remember right flat keys cost me about $15 while the folding was over $20. That's key and cutting on the spot at Morton's BMW in Fredericksburg VA.
The Neiman key is hardened steel. Probably so that locksmiths can't cut them.
While you're there you might as well ask if they can set up your locks to all use your ignition key.
Since they are only used for safe deposit boxes in banks and one other place that I can't recall . . ..Chastity belts in Thailand?
Chastity belts in Thailand?
Chastity belts in Thailand?
They don't have chastity in Thailand, much less belts for it.Well, some folks are trying for it—evolving beyond the belts—but bluetooth is being substituted for keys, and then there's the angle grinder. This (https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1998159/smart-male-chastity-device-vulnerable-to-locking-by-hackers) is a market for Tenet to penetrate, so to speak.
I don't know why an ILCO blank could be cut from a BMW OEM key but not from a Nieman GKS copy, but bottom line is he couldn't do it and he's the best guy around here.I took two Neiman GKS blanks to the local True Value hardware store key specialist and asked her to do her best with them. I had my moto with me so I could try them and she could modify them if necessary. It took three tries on two keys but the spares operate as well as the originals.
The ILCO X109 FT43 doesn't work, at least not without some creative tweaking that no key cutter within at 100 miles is willing or able to do. I even went to the local key-cutting guru who is known for cutting oddball keys for ancient boats for watermen of the Cheasapeake Bay. That said, I don't have the original folding BMW key, but was trying to have it copied from a Nieman GKS copy. I don't know why an ILCO blank could be cut from a BMW OEM key but not from a Nieman GKS copy, but bottom line is he couldn't do it and he's the best guy around here.Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks (https://www.bobsbmw.com/store/product/standard-flat-key-for-1981-95-bmw-airheads--k-bikes) that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?
Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks (https://www.bobsbmw.com/store/product/standard-flat-key-for-1981-95-bmw-airheads--k-bikes) that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?
Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks (https://www.bobsbmw.com/store/product/standard-flat-key-for-1981-95-bmw-airheads--k-bikes) that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?Is that a Yes, or are we dealing with various degrees of hardness in these keys?If you put your cursor over the image on that page it looks like it's a JMA NE-7 which is a STEEL key blank.
Is that a Yes, or are we dealing with various degrees of hardness in these keys?
That's a YES, the NE-7 is a steel key and steel has a higher hardness than brass alloys.I put a magnet on that key and it fell off the screen onto the keyboard.
(To tell if a key is steel or not all you need is a magnet. A magnet will pick up a steel key but not a brass key.)
Good luck getting that key out of the keyboard!No problem. It was the magnet that fell on the keyboard. 112350
Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks (https://www.bobsbmw.com/store/product/standard-flat-key-for-1981-95-bmw-airheads--k-bikes) that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?
Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks (https://www.bobsbmw.com/store/product/standard-flat-key-for-1981-95-bmw-airheads--k-bikes) that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?