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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 11:10:07 AM »
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Offline dalebK75

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2018, 05:20:29 PM »
In Seattle, Broadway Locksmith will cut a steel BMW bike key.
They are on Capitol Hill, near Broadway and E. John.

https://broadwaylocksmith.com/


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Offline enb54

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2021, 05:16:44 PM »
I know this thread is old, but am going through this key exercise, tried the ILCO X109 FT43 route and no go, am going to try the ILCO Y61 trial tomorrow. Am doing a complete spring checkup and thought I'd better get some spare keys, the PO only had one set, one key (Neiman GKS) for the ignition and rear side luggage, a different key (folding BMW) for the fuel filler and front storage compartments. As I have the bike in a very advanced state of disassembly I can't take it to the locksmith so I guess it's trial and error time. Luckily, it's not a Land Rover...
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2021, 07:46:04 PM »
Quote from: enb54 on April 19, 2021, 05:16:44 PM
I know this thread is old, but am going through this key exercise, tried the ILCO X109 FT43 route and no go, am going to try the ILCO Y61 trial tomorrow. Am doing a complete spring checkup and thought I'd better get some spare keys, the PO only had one set, one key (Neiman GKS) for the ignition and rear side luggage, a different key (folding BMW) for the fuel filler and front storage compartments. As I have the bike in a very advanced state of disassembly I can't take it to the locksmith so I guess it's trial and error time. Luckily, it's not a Land Rover...
I have not tried the ILCO blanks and have gone to the BMW dealer to have both folding and straight keys cut, works every time and they don't wear down like the brass.
When you get your keys sorted out it's quite easy to pull a lock cylinder, insert the key you want to work and file the pins down to work with that key.  I did it with some replacement side cases so that they matched the ignition and fuel. 
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Offline enb54

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2021, 10:15:49 AM »
Thanks, the closest dealer is an hour's drive away and they would have to order in the blanks, I just want a spare set. If I get really desperate I'll go for the steel specials from a dealer...
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2021, 11:27:18 AM »
I have spare keys for my bikes cut on Ilco V06 V77 blanks.  I got them at a local locksmith.  If you can't find them locally, you can buy those blanks on Amazon and eBay.  Just do a search on "Ilco V06 V77" and you'll find a bunch of sources for blanks. 

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Offline enb54

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2021, 12:05:41 PM »
Thanks Gryphon, a flashbulb just went off, I'll take one of the storage compartment covers with me to the locksmith, thus ensuring the blank will fit before cutting...

Edit: When I check my serial # using Johnny's RealOEM.com link, I get that my bike is a European version, maybe that has something to do with the locks? Will take the cover with me to the locksmith, thanks all for the help!
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Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2021, 01:05:42 PM »
A near as I know, the European version is only different in the lights and the emissions configuration.

North American models, for example, don't come standard with a headlight on/off switch on the right handlebar and U.K. models have a different headlight lens.  I don't think the European models have the high altitude plug, so the ECU may be different.

Locks and keys are the same for all versions.

You could also take the fuel filler to the locksmith to make sure the key works.  While you're there you might as well ask if they can set up your locks to all use your ignition key.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2021, 06:22:21 PM »
Quote from: enb54 on April 20, 2021, 10:15:49 AM
Thanks, the closest dealer is an hour's drive away and they would have to order in the blanks, I just want a spare set. If I get really desperate I'll go for the steel specials from a dealer...
I wish my dealer was only an hour away. 

If they have to order the blanks they must not be able to cut them?
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Offline enb54

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2021, 10:59:24 PM »
Thanks folks,
it seems that the ILCO V06 V77 key fits perfectly (old Volvo type key), but is a bit too long, so it worked opening up the storage compartment, but the ignition and fuel cap won't go, taking them back to the locksmith tomorrow for "tweaking"... Photo attached ... Top is the ILCO X109 FT43, middle is the BMW Neiman GKS and bottom is the ILCO V06 V77 (needs some grinding to shorten). Apparently the dealer can't cut the keys? I am not sure, but I'm not paying $50 for a key! The saga continues...
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2021, 07:27:02 AM »
Quote from: enb54 on April 20, 2021, 10:59:24 PM
Apparently the dealer can't cut the keys? I am not sure, but I'm not paying $50 for a key! The saga continues...
It has been a while but if I remember right flat keys cost me about $15 while the folding was over $20.  That's key and cutting on the spot at Morton's BMW in Fredericksburg VA.
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Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2021, 07:37:15 AM »
The Neiman key is hardened steel.  Probably so that locksmiths can't cut them.  If you are very lucky, you might find a locksmith who has the special machine with carbide cutters that cuts keys for bank safe deposit boxes.  And then you have to convince them to risk their expensive cutter making your key.

How do I know this?  I got a key cut at a local shop.  When I went back a couple months later to get another one cut the owner told me he couldn't cut my blank.  When I mentioned that I had the same blank cut previously he called out his helper and tore him a very large new asshole right in front of me.  Man, was he pissed!  I'm pretty sure I can't go back there again.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2021, 02:58:51 PM »
Quote from: The Mighty Gryphon on April 21, 2021, 07:37:15 AM
The Neiman key is hardened steel.  Probably so that locksmiths can't cut them.

While you're there you might as well ask if they can set up your locks to all use your ignition key.

It's not a conspiracy. Some locksmiths cut steel keys, some don't. Just call ahead and ask if they cut steel keys.  Aside from "key-in-a-minute" type places, a fair amount of locksmiths cut steel keys.

As mentioned above, Broadway Locksmith in Seattle cuts steel keys. Bulger on Lake City Way also cuts steel keys.

If you want to rekey the other locks on your K to work with your ignition key then you don't need to pay a locksmith to do it. it's pretty easy to DIY:
http://bit.ly/kbikerekey
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2021, 05:29:01 PM »
There aren't any that cut steel keys that I know of in my part of the world.  I spent several days on the phone and driving around before I found the guy who got chewed out for cutting mine.  The locksmiths tell me these keys require a special machine with a very expensive, fragile carbide cutter and to top it off, the machine isn't set up to clamp the Neiman blank.  Since they are only used for safe deposit boxes in banks and one other place that I can't recall there is almost no work to pay for the machinery. 

I like the Ilco blank because there is a hardware store near by that has them and they will cut a key for about $3.  The Ilco blank is a bit longer than the OEM key, but they modify it to make it work.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2021, 05:40:23 PM »
Quote from: The Mighty Gryphon on April 21, 2021, 05:29:01 PM
Since they are only used for safe deposit boxes in banks and one other place that I can't recall  . . .. 
Chastity belts in Thailand?
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2021, 06:12:02 PM »
Quote from: Laitch on April 21, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
Chastity belts in Thailand?

Hmmm...could be.  Long way to go for a key, though. 

There is a racetrack with a gaming parlor near the guy who cut my steel key, I think he said they use steel keys there.  It would make sense in a way, since safe deposit boxes and gambling equipment are things that would have locks with unique keys that cannot be easily copied by unauthorized people.  I dunno, I have a hard time remembering what I had for supper last night.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2021, 09:41:00 PM »
Quote from: Laitch on April 21, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
Chastity belts in Thailand?

They don't have chastity in Thailand, much less belts for it.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2021, 10:51:08 PM »
Quote from: frankenduck on April 21, 2021, 09:41:00 PM
They don't have chastity in Thailand, much less belts for it.
Well, some folks are trying for it—evolving beyond the belts—but bluetooth is being substituted for keys, and then there's the angle grinder. This is a market for Tenet to penetrate, so to speak.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2021, 11:02:11 AM »
The ILCO X109 FT43 doesn't work, at least not without some creative tweaking that no key cutter within at 100 miles is willing or able to do. I even went to the local key-cutting guru who is known for cutting oddball keys for ancient boats for watermen of the Cheasapeake Bay. That said, I don't have the original folding BMW key, but was trying to have it copied from a Nieman GKS copy.  I don't know why an ILCO blank could be cut from a BMW OEM key but not from a Nieman GKS copy, but bottom line is he couldn't do it and he's the best guy around here.

At any rate, I'm stuck with 2 ILCO X109 FT43 blanks, having assumed they'd work based on what I read here. Am I missing something or do the ILCO X109 FT43's just not work?

BTW if that is really Duck there, how great it is to see you again especially since Inge has left us forever.

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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2021, 11:20:35 AM »
When Gryphon mentioned the Ilco blanks, I'm sure he was referring to the ILCO V06 V77 which fits perfectly (old Volvo type key), but is a tad too long. After 3 trips to the local locksmith, finally got the correct length and all is good, what a pain in the backside for these keys...
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2021, 12:08:29 PM »
I was going by an older thread which had an ILCO X109 FT43  hanging out of the ignition.

http://www.motobrick.com/index.php?topic=8461.msg64845#msg64845

Seeing is believing, I thought  boohoo
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2021, 02:36:49 PM »
Quote from: Motorhobo on May 09, 2021, 11:02:11 AM
I don't know why an ILCO blank could be cut from a BMW OEM key but not from a Nieman GKS copy, but bottom line is he couldn't do it and he's the best guy around here.
I took two Neiman GKS blanks to the local True Value hardware store key specialist and asked her to do her best with them. I had my moto with me so I could try them and she could modify them if necessary. It took three tries on two keys but the spares operate as well as the originals.
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2021, 07:33:44 AM »
Quote from: Motorhobo on May 09, 2021, 11:02:11 AM
The ILCO X109 FT43 doesn't work, at least not without some creative tweaking that no key cutter within at 100 miles is willing or able to do. I even went to the local key-cutting guru who is known for cutting oddball keys for ancient boats for watermen of the Cheasapeake Bay. That said, I don't have the original folding BMW key, but was trying to have it copied from a Nieman GKS copy.  I don't know why an ILCO blank could be cut from a BMW OEM key but not from a Nieman GKS copy, but bottom line is he couldn't do it and he's the best guy around here.
Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2021, 08:22:42 AM »
Laitch, I had a pair of those JMA keys with another K bike, and I am pretty sure they are brass like the keys you get at your friendly Ace Value hardware store.  Should be no problem getting them cut. 
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Re: K Bike Keys
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2021, 08:39:57 AM »
Quote from: Laitch on May 10, 2021, 07:33:44 AM
Does all this key-cutting reluctance apply to cutting on the $5.95 key blanks that Bob's in Maryland is advertising?

If you put your cursor over the image on that page it looks like it's a JMA NE-7 which is a STEEL key blank.
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