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TECHNICAL MOTOBRICK WRENCHING In Remembrance of Inge K. => The Motobrick Workshop => Topic started by: frankenduck on April 07, 2012, 01:16:41 PM
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Here's mine:
BMW K75, K100 and K1100 "square" stock seats are simply awful. I did two long days on one on a K1100RS fly-n-ride purchase. By half way through the second day I had to stop every hour due to the ass pain. There is a special place in hell for whoever came up with that seat design. My butt hurts just looking at one of these. Zero motobirds.
(http://www.bmbikes.co.uk/photos/specphotos/k1100rs.jpg)
The stock seat that came on a BMW K1 that I bought last year was similarly uncomfortable but an Alaska Sheepskin butt pad makes it a bit more tolerable. One motobird for this one. :mbird
The scooped out rounder BMW "comfort" seats are pretty decent but built for someone with a shorter inseam than my 34". Three motobirds for this one. :mbird :mbird :mbird
(http://www.eilenberger.net/K75S/comfortseat.jpg)
My worst seat experience ever was Rich's Custom Seats in Seattle. (Now Kingston.) He took a K bike stock seat and actually made it worse - which is quite a feat if you ask me. I then went back for a second whole day of waiting around to try to get it better. I told him it needed it be lower, more scooped out and farther back. He did pretty much the opposite (I think because he was too cheap to make another cover for it which is what he would've had to do to move it back as I requested.) It is nice looking though but it is the very definition of a polished turd. After wasting $500+ (I think it's $700 now) and two whole days I just gave up. I've run into a lot of people who are VERY satisfied with his work and power to them but I've also run into a lot of people who had experiences similar to mine. Given my experience, the price and the result apparently being a crap shoot I would never recommend him to anyone. Rich gets negative motobirds for all the time and money I wasted.
I've had several Sargeant seats of varying styles. All worked pretty well. There were all in the three to four motobird range. :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
Corbin:
Dual Tour: A pretty decent seat that I've put many miles on but made for someone with a shorter inseam than me. Four motobirds. :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
(http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bm25t.jpg)
Dual Canyon Sport: OK seat. Better looking on an S or RS K bike. I run one now on my K1100RS - use an Alaska butt pad for longer rides. Three motobirds. Maybe three and a half. :mbird :mbird :mbird
(http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bm23.jpg)
Gunfighter: Looks good because the back of it matches the K bike tail cowl but way too hard for serious miles. Two motobirds. :mbird :mbird
(http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bm22.jpg)
Rumble seat: (The back part flips up to be a passenger backrest.) About the same as the Gunfighter. Two motobirds. :mbird :mbird
(http://smithduck.home.comcast.net/~smithduck/bmw/k1100rs/pics/corbinrumble.jpg)
All of the Corbin seats I've had have been very heavy due to the fiberglass seat pan.
Russell Day Long: I've had several used ones. Most have been pretty good but were built for people with a shorter inseam. The most recent used one I got is an inch or two back compared to the others and is bar none the most comfortable seat I've ever ridden on. There is only one minor nit I have with RDL seats. When you're stopped at a light and standing you can feel the "wings" hit the back of your thighs. It's just a very minor thing but enough to bug me just a little. If I ever did an Iron Butt Rally it would be on a RDL. I've put several 14 hour days on that seat and its comfy even for that. This seat is the king with five motobirds. :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
Rick Mayer:Johnny has several and gives them rave reviews so I had one made last year when he was having a sale. The seat I got back from him was too high, too far forward and pitches my torso forward on a bike that's supposed to be ridden upright. (K1100LT) It would probably work well on my K1100RS but I wanted it for my LT (and that's what I sent him pictures of me sitting on) so it's just sitting in my basement. To be fair to Rick I have not had a chance to contact him about getting it better dialed in (plan to finally get around to that next month) so my jury is still out on Rick Mayer. Motobird rating still pending....
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Here's mine:
BMW K75, K100 and K1100 "square" stock seats are simply awful. I did two long days on one on a K1100RS fly-n-ride purchase. By half way through the second day I had to stop every hour due to the ass pain. There is a special place in hell for whoever came up with that seat design. My butt hurts just looking at one of these. Zero motobirds.
Cee Bailey :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
Sargent with the Atomic foam :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
BMW Comfort :mbird :mbird :mbird
BMW stock minus motobird
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Here's mine:
Corbin:
Dual Tour: A pretty decent seat that I've put many miles on but made for someone with a shorter inseam than me. Four motobirds. :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
(http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bm25t.jpg)
The Corbin Dual Tour is much better on an RS than an RT. IMO.
Gotta love those Day-Longs!
Tom
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Oh, almost forgot. When I rode that K75S from WI to Was last summer I put a like new Rick Mayer that I'd scored on FleaBay for cheap on it. That worked fairly well and gets four motobirds. I think the Mayer seat design may be more effective for a leaned forward position. :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
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I bought a second hand Corbin Rumble a few weeks ago. It's a great saddle (very firm but not too firm in my opinion - my ass has enough cushion already) except it is a noticeably shorter than my previous Corbin Dual Tour. I have a 34" inseam and it is too short for me. It would probably work great for someone under 6' (I'm just over that) or with shorter legs.
On that note, is there anyone who is riding a seat that is "too tall" for them and interested in a trade? I will post a separate thread too...
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greetings conybeare...
have you ever tried a sheepskin pelt... not one of those premades... butts a real one... will raise you up an inch and get you off the concrete corbin... pretty dang comfortable too... just an idear...
j o
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have you ever tried a sheepskin pelt... not one of those premades... butts a real one... will raise you up an inch and get you off the concrete corbin... pretty dang comfortable too... just an idear...
Not a bad idea... thanks! I found these two companies when looking for pads, in case anyone is interested:
http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-template/Buttpads/Page (http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-template/Buttpads/Page)
http://www.beadrider.com/shop/category.asp?catid=2 (http://www.beadrider.com/shop/category.asp?catid=2)
I wonder if cab-driver-level body odor is required to ride on a Bead Rider..
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I've been pretty satisfied with my Corbin dual tour. 600 mile day (all day ride. Lots of twisties, hwy 1 etc) was still feeling great. Could do with a bit more foam in the nose section, to put more weight on the wide back part.
http://www.diymotorcycleseat.com/index.php (http://www.diymotorcycleseat.com/index.php)
I am kinda curious to modify a stock seat. Could be made so much better with a bit of work.
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have you ever tried a sheepskin pelt... not one of those premades... butts a real one... will raise you up an inch and get you off the concrete corbin... pretty dang comfortable too... just an idear...
Not a bad idea... thanks! I found these two companies when looking for pads, in case anyone is interested:
http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-template/Buttpads/Page (http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-template/Buttpads/Page)
http://www.beadrider.com/shop/category.asp?catid=2 (http://www.beadrider.com/shop/category.asp?catid=2)
I wonder if cab-driver-level body odor is required to ride on a Bead Rider..
Other than the heated seat wiring, never had much luck with seat add-ons.
Sheepskin,various gel pads,bead rider,etc. All were a disappointment.
Ever hear of Rogo ? High tech air pressure system used for wheelchair patients. Rick has one, tested for close to 300 miles, :dunno2: seemed to work semi OK but spendy.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/motobrickasscomfort (http://preview.tinyurl.com/motobrickasscomfort)
Long haul discomfort for me is arthritic in nature.
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have you ever tried a sheepskin pelt... not one of those premades... butts a real one... will raise you up an inch and get you off the concrete corbin... pretty dang comfortable too... just an idear...
Not a bad idea... thanks! I found these two companies when looking for pads, in case anyone is interested:
http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-template/Buttpads/Page (http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com/servlet/the-template/Buttpads/Page)
http://www.beadrider.com/shop/category.asp?catid=2 (http://www.beadrider.com/shop/category.asp?catid=2)
I wonder if cab-driver-level body odor is required to ride on a Bead Rider..
They are ventilated...
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greetings conybeare...
have you ever tried a sheepskin pelt... not one of those premades... butts a real one... will raise you up an inch and get you off the concrete corbin... pretty dang comfortable too... just an idear...
j o
For me, sheepskins are nice. I purchased a whole sheep's worth of skin many years ago and for some time I did use part of it as a seat cover on a Corbin dual tour. Very comfortable but the problem on the dual tour was that the extra thickness of the sheepskin moved me forward on the seat which was not helpful.
I've thought about asking Russel if they could use sheep skin on the top of one of their seats. That would be pretty nice, I think.
Tom
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i gotts a full pelt from these guys... (http://www.ebay.com/itm/XX-Large-Huge-Black-SHEEPSKIN-rug-fur-seat-cover-long-wool-cabin-pelt-10409-/230772138527?pt=US_Contemporary_Rugs_Carpets&hash=item35bb17621f)
it is f ing awesome... sometimes i would put it on the bug just to switch things up... long hair new zealand yeeeeehaaaaaaaa...
j o
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dual cone seat...
another 100 miles... no problem...
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff192/owrstrich/59931688.jpg)
j o
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i gotts a full pelt from these guys... (http://www.ebay.com/itm/XX-Large-Huge-Black-SHEEPSKIN-rug-fur-seat-cover-long-wool-cabin-pelt-10409-/230772138527?pt=US_Contemporary_Rugs_Carpets&hash=item35bb17621f)
it is f ing awesome... sometimes i would put it on the bug just to switch things up... long hair new zealand yeeeeehaaaaaaaa...
j o
LOVE the description JO, read perfect for a quickie roadside. :2thumbup:
"Romantic, Shabby Chic Rug Type:
Material: Animal Skin, Leather"
ChecK out this Tiger sheepskin, miracles of modern day breeding genetics.
(http://www.blackhillsportal.com/dbs/trevinosleathers/files/Image/Photos/Sheepskin_rug_tiger_sm(2).jpg)
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Rick Mayer:Johnny has several and gives them rave reviews so I had one made last year when he was having a sale. The seat I got back from him was too high, too far forward and pitches my torso forward on a bike that's supposed to be ridden upright. (K1100LT) It would probably work well on my K1100RS but I wanted it for my LT (and that's what I sent him pictures of me sitting on) so it's just sitting in my basement. To be fair to Rick I have not had a chance to contact him about getting it better dialed in (plan to finally get around to that next month) so my jury is still out on Rick Mayer. Motobird rating still pending....
Duck - you ever offer your opinion up about the Rick Mayer - did you get it dialed in?
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Duck - you ever offer your opinion up about the Rick Mayer - did you get it dialed in?
I got busy with other stuff and never dealt with complaining/sending it back. I contacted him in May of this year and he told me he was too busy to deal with it until the beginning of August. I have other seats so it's not a big deal to me.
I AM going to send it to him in a couple of weeks and will report back when I finally get things straightened out.
I have another one that I scored on Fleabay in like new condition for $150. It's pretty much exactly the same but worked pretty well on a 3,000 mile ride on a K75S.
I also scored a Corbin Dual Tour with a passenger backrest on Fleabay for $50. It turned out to be a custom one that's got the rider position about 2" back and I plan to put that on my K75 for a ride down the coast soon. I put mucho miles on the one I had on my K75RT and liked it OK but it was a bit too far forward so I think this one will work out well.
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I will never own another motorcycle without a Russell seat upgrade. I have tried various seat brands on various motorcycles and nothing has ever compared. When my wife told me that I must buy a $700 seat for any bike I buy - I think it gets her seal of approval as well - she was actually never going to ride again after a day on the stock K seat. First ride on the Russell she wanted to know what we were stopping for "at 150 miles, I need to get gas dear."
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j346/Gulgamesh/sideseat.jpg)
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Did you do the ride in, Crash?
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No, we took photo's and sent them in with height, weight and so on. I got in on a 20% off group buy deal and Ride Ins were not allowed - and they are an extra $80 - even with 20% off my seat was $680. Since I paid the same having the back seat generic or custom, I MADE my wife get on for pictures and submit the particulars. She is glad she did. The back of my seat may be back about 1/2" to far, but that is not a real issue, it gives me some wiggle room.
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I have the Corbin Gunfighter and it's the only K seat I've ridden.
It's definitely hard, but my my rear has been broken in by Brooks bicycle saddles, so I'm used to it.
I have a short 30" inseam and I wish the edges of the seat were a little smoother, but hey, it's a motorcycle, not a sofa.
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I have been trying to get a RDL but one dickwit I found on fleabay wanted $500 to send to Australia it plus the seat price.
Does anybody have one for a reasonable price?
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i have a few lined up to try. tomorrow i'm going to do a gunfighter on the k11rs; in a couple weeks I have a corbin dual canyon to test out.
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I'm really interested in how the Dual canyon Matches up against the dual tour on an RS. I have heard that the canyon is preferable for the the Riding position of the RS. Get back to us on that shooter! Ill be buying one soon. :P
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Been happy with my dual canyon since 1988. After running coast to coast with the stock seat the Corbin was a godsend. Had to send it back to get recovered once, but it's held up pretty good. Don't even think about it anymore.
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Am I the only person that thinks the stock seat is really comfortable? :dunno
I am curious if there are any single seat options. I will never ride 2 up and wouldn't mind a flatter cargo area, or possibly a way to put a top box with a backrest for myself
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...It's definitely hard, but my my rear has been broken in by Brooks bicycle saddles, so I'm used to it...
If Brooks made a saddle to fit a K, I'd definitely buy one. For the other kind of two wheels, there isn't anything else worth considering.
My K came with a Corbin, and it has been comfortable enough, but I don't have anything else to compare it to.
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The stock seat is horrible, be glad that you don't have a comparison! :>
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greetings...
i can ride almost any seat for a day... yesser even the stock seat... butts not the evil corbin...
im thinking the issue with any seat... including the stock seat... is that its not unrideable today... butts that its unrideable after back to back to back to back + days... thats when you find out if you gotts a good seat... after those back to back + days...
j o
Nope. 1/2 day on the stocker and I'm done. Corbin, all day every day, baby.
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Am I the only person that thinks the stock seat is really comfortable? :dunno
Yep. :neener:
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My wife has the K75 with a stock seat and says its OK but then again she married me so she hasn't got impecable judgement. :eek:
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Years ago, when I had my boxer, I could sit on just about anything(no comments please). Now, I am older and do not have as much padding built in to my backside. I bought my brick with a Corbin seat on it. I think it is just a fraction to wide. It is a low seat, but I do not know the model. Maybe someone can help me figure it out.
I also have the low factory seat, but no cowling for the tank.
I am looking for one of those at a reasonable price.
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Got the gunfighter attached, doing some maiden riding today.... report to follow ....
argent brick - sounds like a gunfighter - but there are other corbin models that could be considered low. Was it a 1-up only seat?
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Sh00ter,
I think you are right,
Looking at the pictures on this post, mine seems to be the gunfighter. It is low enough for me, but is a little too wide for my liking. Also, it is much harder that I figured it would be. Like sitting on a concrete pad. I would still like to put my bike back to stock because the factory seat is a wee bit narrower.
Is there any way to have my gunfighter reworked?
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gunfighter on the block after 1 ride. too far back, can't reach the ground, plus (as many have advised) just this side of concrete. Dual tour next on the test list.
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I'm not sure what my saddle is, but I like it: The tag sewn on the seat says Sargent, the fiberglass pan says Corbin. I got it off Ebay for about $100. According to stickers on the pan it was made in the '90s (forget the exact year and too lazy to go look) and judging from the hardware it was never installed until I bought it two years ago. It's firm but the support is great -- I especially like having the big step to push back on. I rode 10,000 miles on it last year with no complaints.
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the dual tour i bought used is for an LT, it fits great - and is very comfortable, but is a bit ugly (got some teal trim). think i'll just keep this ugly mofo and send my stock one in to get russell-ized :D
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Is the Corbin Canyon Dual Sport Low about the only low seat option/upgrade for a K75? http://www.corbin.com/bmw/8995canyon.shtml (http://www.corbin.com/bmw/8995canyon.shtml)
I definitely like the low seat (30" inseam) but I'd like to see what the other options are out there.
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BillyMac,
BMW made a single seat option that they put on the police bikes. You could go that route.
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Russell Day Long: ...This seat is the king with five motobirds. :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird :mbird
My Corbin Dual Sport is on the fritz and I'm getting another because I love the look of it on the RS.
Was peeping the RDLs though some fine craftsmanship!
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q588/thespacebetweenthings/Screenshot2012-07-27at90739AM.png)
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Figured I'd reply back in here as I suppose it's a seat "option". I have the stock low seat, and don't really mind it too much, but purchased this to add a little more cushion, but more importantly, so I don't get my butt cooked by the hot black leather of the seat after it's been sitting in the sun.
Coleman Comfort Ride ATV Seat Protector (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006JMK7N8/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00)
I've only been using it while commuting, but I know it definitely keeps me from getting a super hot seat after it's been sitting in the parking lot at work all day. Only cost me $18.99, adds a little padding, and it doesn't slide around at all.
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9760/img1404o.jpg)
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Figured I'd reply back in here as I suppose it's a seat "option". I have the stock low seat, and don't really mind it too much, but purchased this to add a little more cushion, but more importantly, so I don't get my butt cooked by the hot black leather of the seat after it's been sitting in the sun.
Coleman Comfort Ride ATV Seat Protector (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006JMK7N8/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00)
I've only been using it while commuting, but I know it definitely keeps me from getting a super hot seat after it's been sitting in the parking lot at work all day. Only cost me $18.99, adds a little padding, and it doesn't slide around at all.
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9760/img1404o.jpg)
Why not throw a 1/2 cover on it and protect the paint, vinyl, and seat from sun and rain? About $35.
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Other than the heated seat wiring, never had much luck with seat add-ons.
Sheepskin,various gel pads,bead rider,etc. All were a disappointment.
Ever hear of Rogo ? High tech air pressure system used for wheelchair patients. Rick has one, tested for close to 300 miles, :dunno2: seemed to work semi OK but spendy.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/motobrickasscomfort (http://preview.tinyurl.com/motobrickasscomfort)
Long haul discomfort for me is arthritic in nature.
I picked one up this summer, it added more comfortable hours to my riding day but not cheap at $190 for the neoprene version (polyurethane ones are 1/2 the price). Very happy with the purchase although you do end up a bit higher on the bike. Not much though as you are only supposed to put in enough air to keep your butt off the seat and not elevated like an air mattress.
I'm using it over one of Rich's custom seats with an embedded jel pack, this could have been a good setup on its own but the bike came with a low seat height incompatible with my 6'6" frame. Couldn't find a regular seat kit to swap with so getting Rich to build it up seemed a good compromise. Now I’m looking to purchase all the kit needed to have the regular seat height without swapping with another owner just in case my current setup works better.
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Hello,
I am looking for a black seat, preferably regular one (I have a grey low seat on my K75C '93) and found two. Could you please have a look and let me know if they are low versions?
First
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/8346-040525091335.png)
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/8346-040525091306.png)
Second
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/8346-040525091709.png)
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/8346-040525091728.png)
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There's an OEM solo seat if you can find one:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pxt36pj.jpeg)
And Corbin offers the Gunfighter solo seat:
https://www.corbin.com/bmw/8696gun.shtml
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Hello,
I am looking for a black seat, preferably regular one (I have a grey low seat on my K75C '93) and found two. Could you please have a look and let me know if they are low versions?
First
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/8346-040525091306.png)
Second
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/8346-040525091709.png)
Those are both OEM low seats and your grey seat should have a profile like them if it is an OEM low seat. A standard (regular) bench seat is pictured below. Note the how the bottom edge of the seat runs roughly parallel—compared with your examples—to the top of the forward seat until it angles upward along the seat cowl toward the rear.
(https://www.motobrick.com/gallery/4/1601-040525233705.png)
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Many thanks 4265249878
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I think I am on about my 5th seat, most rode until they fell apart. The stock '85 was a bench style, not great, we upgraded to the newer BMW saddle style for the camping trip across the country. When that fell apart went back to the stock, then a corbin canyon or something. Bought an used Russel day long that we liked, problem was it was for a 1990 so mounting did not work, it was held on with some string for several years. Bought a beat up bmw seat for the seat pan and sent it to Russel along with measurements and photos. That was a couple of years ago, we have been very happy with it. Seemed a little strange paying almost as much for a seat as what the bike was worth. We should have bought one years ago. Also recently added aftermarket heated grips, the little pleasures in life.
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Corbin on my '85 RT. Not sure which Model/version this seat is.
Rode 700+ miles in two days. Did some work, then rode back the 700 miles. Compliment to the seat that I never noticed it. Completely neutral support. Not too hard, not too soft. Yeah, all Goldilocks. ;-)
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Am I the only person that thinks the stock seat is really comfortable?
No you are not. I've met at least 4 others in the past 20 years, including myself.
I have cut out pockets on all my bikes for silicone sheet inserts that make a huge, positive difference. Easy to do, and budget friendly. Silicone seems durable, even at zero G's 😉
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My first K75S came with a Sargent and the second with a stock. I like the Sargent and found the stock tolerable but wanting to find something else. The stock was replaced with a Corbin Gunfighter (I think) purchased from a Motobrick member. Although it looks uncomfortable I find it good for a long ride.
Both of these seats fit my 5'11" frame with a long reach just fine.
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I've had six different style seats on the five Bricks that have passed through my garage.
The standard "plank" was okay for short trips(100 miles or less) and running around town. It's too narrow and the foam is that typical German stuff that feels like the seat is filled with sand.
Next was a Sargent similar to a Corbin Canyon. That seat was stylish and had a perforated vinyl seat, but despite the foam being slightly softer than the "Plank" it was awful thin and on on all day rides I was squirming on it after 300 miles. The last day and a half of a 2000 mile four day trip was excruciating. The only thing it was good for was running around town and short afternoon rides.
I took one of the plank seats I had on a K100RS and cut out the center of the seat and inserted a piece of memory foam about 5" x 9". This improved the seat a lot and It was comfortable for all day rides covering up to 500 miles. For the RS, it was perfect.
The factory Comfort seat was a great all around seat for touring. Everything about is just right. Not too hard, not too soft, big enough to spread the load, but not big enough to make it hard to put my feet down at stops. That seat did a lot of miles on my K75RT and K75S.
The next step into motor decadence was the Russell Day Long. I had two, one with a back rest and one without. The Russell, with the the bucket shape that cradles your butt was as close to making my RT a two wheel LazEBoy as you can get.
While the back rest was nice, it was a bit of a hassle getting on and off the bike with it. The one without the backrest is my all time favorite for covering massive amounts of highway. It was a dream when I did the Iron Butt 1500 miles in 24 hours. The only downside of that seat is that it is just too big and padded to look good on a sport bike like the K100RS that I have now, but then, I don't look at the RS as a serious horizon chaser. Like the other Russell seat, all that opulence can make flat footing at stops a bit hard for the vertically challenged but the comfort is definitely worth it.
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I've had a few Russel seats. The first one was a used one that worked pretty well. I then had one with a backrest. That was OK but I've never been a fan of or seen the need for a backrest. My third RDL was one I had built for me that I got a good deal on when I got in on an ADVrider winter group buy. That one is perfect and though the used ones were good, the one built for me is the bomb because puts the rider to the rear about 1.5-2". (I have long legs.) Russell also uses a spring system under the foam.
I've had a couple of Sargent seats. What i found odd about those is that neither one of them looked very comfortable but they were surprisingly good for back to back long days.