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TECHNICAL MOTOBRICK WRENCHING In Remembrance of Inge K. => The Motobrick Workshop => Topic started by: The Mighty Gryphon on April 25, 2018, 10:15:11 AM
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Was bleeding the brakes on Moby Brick Too because of one of the front calipers locking up. As I was attempting to flush the fluid to pull the caliper I noticed a fine spray of fluid squirting onto the front of the engine(explaining the paint damage there). I removed the line and found a clump of rubber scrap jammed in the banjo fitting at the caliper, blocking the flow.
Even after removing the clump, the line was still very restricted. Probably due to a collapsed lining. This is the second time I have found this garbage blocking a line on one of my bricks, not to mention the collapsed line. I think this is the warning that I need to shitcan all the original lines on my bikes and replace them with braided stainless.
I'm looking at close to $700 in Spiegler lines to do all of them, but I guess I'll have to bite the bullet for peace of mind when I'm doing 90mph on the interstate or honking through the twisties.
In the photo below, notice the shiny dot on the hose where the leak was.
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I'm looking at close to $700 in Spiegler lines to do all of them, but I guess I'll have to bite the bullet for peace of mind when I'm doing 90mph on the interstate or honking through the twisties.
I thought trouble came from behind, Gryph. I'd be looking for more acceleration. :giggles
Chris Harris has a classic video of your bike's condition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlmZH6SKUCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlmZH6SKUCc)
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Laitch, it's a bitch to go faster when your calipers are locked up...
...and it totally F's up your MPG.
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Laitch, it's a bitch to go faster when your calipers are locked up..
Ok. You need more power, not acceleration. :yes
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Just pulled the line on the other front caliper!!!
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They must use the same rubber in brake lines as in monkey nuts and that crankcase vent S tube. Too bad they didn't use radiator hose rubber, that damn stuff will be around after cockroaches inherit the earth.
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Over at bmwlt.com, it has become standard to recommend everyone to change out their brake lines as there have been many reported failures. I suppose the servo brake system is harder on the lines?
One of the first jobs I did on the RS was to change out the lines to Spiegler's.
On the '85, I only changed out the fronts and used OEM as that was less than the full braided kit.
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. . . that damn stuff will be around after cockroaches inherit the earth.
They haven't already? :yow
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Gryph no need to spend mega dollars. My local automotive brake shop brake make lines to what ever length you want. The only trouble is I don't think he does coloured lines. He will do rubber as in OEM or stainless braid in black $50.00 t0 $70.00 approx per line dependant on length and fittings. They have been trained and certified in order to do them. I tried a couple of local bike shops and they wanted heaps more for the same line and process. I also have a neighbor who has a mobile hose repair business and he also does brake lines to order. I dare say if you look around you should find someone local.
Regards Martin.
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Martin, I don't know why, but it's practically impossible to find someone around here who will make brake lines for motorcycles. After a couple weeks of looking, I found one place that made lines for race cars that made a pair of lines for my RT. The fittings on them were way too long, resulting in a very short flexible hose section that made them almost impossible to install. I used them anyway, and they rub badly on the swing arm and rear shock because I can't route them properly. Did I mention that they were $90 and weren't returnable?
The Spiegler lines are a bargain.
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That's really weird Gryph, that finally we can get something done that you can't. When I replaced my rear master cylinder and had to replace my rear line. I was cheesed of with the prices quoted by a couple of bike shops, a mate rang a mate of his and pulled in a favour. I went down to the local automotive brake shop and he came out measured the line and checked the orientation of the fittings and made one up on the spot. Another mate of a mate came around and bought my spare Chinese master cylinder and he had one made up pretty quickly for a good price. Have you tried mobile services the guy across the road from me does virtually any sort of lines applicable to automotive use.
Good luck regards a puzzled Martin.
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I spent hours on the phone with people who make hoses and auto brake lines before I found the guys that made mine. I suppose I could have gone out of town, but that would be a shot in the dark.
I did find a couple that made rubber lines like the OEM, for no real savings.
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I'm looking at close to $700 in Spiegler lines to do all of them, but I guess I'll have to bite the bullet for peace of mind when I'm doing 90mph on the interstate or honking through the twisties.
Yikes!
I just replaced the lines on my '93 K75S w/ABS for $174.95 which included an extra charge for the colors requested, from Spiegler.
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I have three bikes to do, all with ABS at about $235 each from Sportbike Track Gear. Didn't know I could go straight to Spiegler.
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I have three bikes to do, all with ABS at about $235 each from Sportbike Track Gear. Didn't know I could go straight to Spiegler.
I won a 50% off a brake pad set coupon from Spiegler at the local BMW rally and when talking with them decided to upgrade the K75S brake lines.
Check out -> https://spieglerusa.com (https://spieglerusa.com) or give Brian a call @ 937-291-1735
They were great to deal with now carry CL (Carbone Lorraine) brake pads.
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Gryph I've got a Goodridge line on the front and the local line on the rear. And I cannot for the life of me see the reason why one is four times the price. I went out and took a couple of shots of the yellow peril, he's also got a 64 Caddy in satin black with a metal flake purple roof, known in my household as the Battle Star Galactica. It resides, thank god under a cover so hard to get shots of it.
Regards Martin.
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Gryph, I have one word that may help to explain your problem finding people to make your brake hoses....... LIABILITY.... unfortunate but true here in the states people are filing lawsuits for anything and everything. If some hydraulic shops hand made brake hose fails and an accident is the result I'd just about guarantee there will be a lawsuit filed. Even if there are liability disclaimers... Sad but true.
From the business perspective what is cheaper, high liability insurance premiums against lawsuits or limit what your business does to keep liability exposure at a minimum and premiums at a minimum.
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Gryphon, thanks for this. I have been wanting to upgrade my lines since I got my K. Now I am convinced and will be saving my pennies to do it sooner than later! I am guessing most bricks with original lines are in about the same shape as yours, :mbird
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Stokester, I went to the Spiegler site this morning. A set of lines in black with Titanium fittings is $255!!! Needless to say, I am suffering from serious sticker shock. I have carefully checked the hoses on Moby Brick Too, and right now, the problems are isolated to the short lines at the calipers. Since I can't purchase these two lines by themselves from Spiegler I will probably be going to BMW for OEM lines, which, for now, only cost $30 each.
Scott, you are right on target. In my search for a local source of lines I talked to several shops that said they used to make them in the past, but no longer do. While they didn't come right out and say it, I got the impression the reason was the liability. Even if they aren't the target in a suit, I would guess that the cost of insurance to cover that part of the business could be prohibitive.
Martin, it could very well be that since Oz isn't as "developed" as the U.S. it doesn't have the highly advanced class of parasitic money sucking lawyers looking for a huge payday at the public's expense.
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There's a shop in Scarborough (GTA) that makes bike lines. They occasionally put a K75 rear line on eBay for ~$29.95. I called them and they need measurements to make a set. Then I found a NOS set of Spiegler fronts ...
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Ed, do you have a business name, phone number and address? I have all the lines off the bike now so they could be easy to copy. Might be a good excuse to come up for F&C on the way back from Scarboroughstan.
It would also be important to see how they build their lines. The ones I had made locally here had threaded fittings swaged onto the end of the hose, and then the banjo fittings were screwed onto them. This resulted in a hose with a drastically shorter flexible section that made proper fitment on the bike impossible. It would suck to spend the day driving up there and winding up with lines like I had made here.
It would be really sweet if I could find someone in Saint Catherines to build them. Seems I've seen a shop along the QEW. I need to do a search.
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Martin, it could very well be that since Oz isn't as "developed" as the U.S. it doesn't have the highly advanced class of parasitic money sucking lawyers looking for a huge payday at the public's expense.
Right (https://www.hcalawyers.com.au/success-stories/). :giggles
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How about these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spiegler-Clear-Brake-Line-BMW-K75-S-86-91-Orig-ABS-Front-Rear-S-BM0023/183191579396?hash=item2aa711ab04:g:b-UAAOSwHhRa2VkP&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spiegler-Clear-Brake-Line-BMW-K75-S-86-91-Orig-ABS-Front-Rear-S-BM0023/183191579396?hash=item2aa711ab04:g:b-UAAOSwHhRa2VkP&vxp=mtr)
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Bizz, right now I'm looking for lines for a K100RS 16V that has six lines. The K75S, if I recall only has four, five tops, and they're different.
Gonna be searching for a shop in Saint Catherines. I'm thinking that with the agriculture and shipbuilding there, along with the steel mills down the road, I might just have a bit of luck. There are tons of small industrial shops on the frontage roads along the QEW. Gotta be one that can do brake lines.
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Ed, do you have a business name, phone number and address? I have all the lines off the bike now so they could be easy to copy. Might be a good excuse to come up for F&C on the way back from Scarboroughstan.
... more commonly known locally as Outer Scarberia. They are further from you than I. Anyway, I'm off to Newmarket for the euphemistic donut. :lets-eat:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Brake-Hose-Line-Lines-Hoses-REAR-BMW-K75-1985-86-87-88-89/123088235364?hash=item1ca8a16b64:g:RBoAAOSwH~ta2O7s&vxp=mtr
I think it was Apex Brakes http://www.apexbrakes.com , but I have a Rennsport Auto Parts http://www.rennsportautoparts.com in the phone. Wonder if they're the same. Anyway they showed in an old thread on GTAM http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?132852-Apex-Stainless-Brake-Lines
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Gryph who's not as developed. We have Tim Tams, and beetroot and tomato sauce on our burgers. Not that mayonnaise crap which is reserved for lettuce in OZ. See http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2010/06/australian-inventions-that-changed-the-world :neener:
Regards an under developed Ozinian.
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Stokester, I went to the Spiegler site this morning. A set of lines in black with Titanium fittings is $255!!! Needless to say, I am suffering from serious sticker shock. I have carefully checked the hoses on Moby Brick Too, and right now, the problems are isolated to the short lines at the calipers. Since I can't purchase these two lines by themselves from Spiegler I will probably be going to BMW for OEM lines, which, for now, only cost $30 each.
If you are having problems with the caliper lines, can the others be far behind?
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If you are having problems with the caliper lines, can the others be far behind?
yup. if one is gone, the rest are too. they get the same exposure, fluid and are same age. you can't always see the deterioration by looking at the outside.
all brake, coolant and fuel lines on any bike over 20 years old should be replaced. they are expendable maint items, not "forever" parts.
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Here is a place that you can custom build your own via connectors and length of line needed. I didn't do a quick price check to see where they fall in that perspective. I hope your not getting too inundated with opinions/links in this thread. :nono http://galferusa.com/company (http://galferusa.com/company) :nono Some bad history here with this company....read Johnny's post below.
Good luck in St. Catherine's. It sounds like a great place to go just for the halibut! Love old industrial towns that are still hanging in there with small shops that support the local industry. Now that's Amerika! Ahhh the gold old days.
I am anxiously awaiting your findings, but truth be told, I will probably just spring for the Spieglers. For my bike about $200 On fleabay.
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Good luck in St. Catherine's. It sounds like a great place to go just for the halibut! Love old industrial towns that are still hanging in there . . . Now that's America!
Well, that's North America anyway. :giggles
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greetings...
done with galfer... their brick abs kit has 1 wrong fitting... had to have special made at their expense...
then ordered another abs kit and it was wrong... happened with 3 abs kits all 3 times... this is after they said it would be correct from previous times...
still f-ed on their site... was told engineering had to make the change... too busy with other projects...
its whack... now go with spiegler... they are 100% pro...
j o
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Will probably be going with the Spieglers. Whatever I save by going local will be more than offset by the time and expense of finding someone to make them. I will just be replacing the front hoses this year. Rear lines look good for now. I suspect a major part of the problem with the front lines to the calipers was the result of the brakes getting hot with dragging pads.
Right now, I need to get some warm weather so I can paint, so there is no rush to get lines.
One thing to keep in mind. I bought what turned out to be the wrong kit from Sportbike Track Gear. Even though they said it was the correct kit I had to pay a 30% restocking fee($53) :mbird plus $9.95 shipping to return them. Not really happy about that, especially since the web site says hassle-free returns with no restocking and I bought their standard kit in black and chrome.
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Well, that's North America anyway. :giggles
What.........there is Another AHMERIKA.??? :eek: WTF........ :falldown: who da thunk it!
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greetings...
done with galfer... their brick abs kit has 1 wrong fitting... had to have special made at their expense...
then ordered another abs kit and it was wrong... happened with 3 abs kits all 3 times... this is after they said it would be correct from previous times...
still f-ed on their site... was told engineering had to make the change... too busy with other projects...
its whack... now go with spiegler... they are 100% pro...
j o
Thanks Johnny. Good to know. That just sucks. I will add an addendum to my post to heed your warning or just remove the link altogether? :nono :dunno
Gryph, Bummer about the kit. Nice to shop on the inter web...and in the comfort of home.....but there in lies one of its biggest downfalls. Yea, about ready to order my Spiegeler's, even though they are not really in the budget this month. Thanks again for this post. It takes some prodding to keep my K up to snuff. Hate the thought of losing my brakes! Maybe before I drop the dough I will pull a line and see what kind o crap comes out. Just in case they are clear, and I don't need to change um. Unlikely!
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+1 for Spiegler's, I have them on my '95
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+1 for Spiegler's, I have them on my '95
Yes, the kit had everything I needed and tools to turn the fittings as necessary.
Worth the price.
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My only complaint about the Spieglers is that the lines are so short and stiff that the only way I have found to get the calipers off when removing the front wheel is to drop out the pads first. Not a huge deal but worth mentioning.
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I bought the Spieglers for my K100RS from an ebay vendor and was happy with the price and product.
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So they come with new crush washers and banjo bolts?
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So they come with new crush washers and banjo bolts?
Crush washers yes, bolts no.
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Mine came with banjos
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Mine came with banjos
Mine came with Hohner harmonicas, but they are OEM.
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Mine came with banjos
Were they dueling?
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Actually I was kinda disappointed, I was hoping for ukuleles...
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Mine came with Hohner harmonicas, but they are OEM.
diatonic or chromatic?
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diatonic or chromatic?
Diatonic. Snapped up by a fan of Musselwhite when I put them on the market.