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Offline PiotrK100

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Injectors problem
« on: March 23, 2017, 04:19:32 PM »
Well, I do not know where to start so will try from beginning :clap: .
The case is regarding BMW R1100RS 1994 (I know is not a brick but i do believe injectors are same). I bought very bad lookig boxer but decide to restore to be functional, so I did all and stuck after all because injecors does not work:

- were cleaned and checked, working well
- fuel is with good pressure on injectors
- no power on injector connector....while cranking
- of course when injector pulling out and cranking no injection.

Now, I do not know where to start, where to measure to looking for malfunction, maybe I miss something??? 
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Re: Injectors problem
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2017, 05:50:02 PM »
I'm surprised you say that you have no power at the injector harness yet you have fuel pressure. As I look at the schematics, the + power for the injectors is powered thru the same relay as the fuel pump and fuse #6. Unless you have damage to the harness with broken/eaten wiring.
So, I'm guessing that if the fuel pump runs, your injector issue is more likely from the motronic not firing(grounding on 'yellow/grey' wire @ terminal #27) the injector circuit.
The motronic terminals for the Hall sensors:
32 + (red wire) out
23 S1 (orange wire) in
6   S2 (black) in
13 ground (brown)

Fuse #5 feeds battery power to the Motronic.

Power for the electronics relay, from battery, thru ignition switch, thru the rh kill switch, thru side stand switch, to relay coil, then coil is grounded to motronic pin #1 with a black wire.


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Re: Injectors problem
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2017, 04:34:34 AM »
WOW, Scott, that looks quite complicated to me :mbird .
But yes, fuel pump is working and there is a pressure on the line. If relay is same with injectors so that must not be the relay. Fuses also looks ok. So you think I should looking for problem in Motronic??
When I do measure voltage on injector harnes while cranking is shows 0,3v.
Grrrrr....have no experience with boxers but assume must be very likely to brick and even using same electronics. So if you be so kind pls explain me where to start???
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Re: Injectors problem
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 05:25:47 AM »
I'm reading the information everywhere on internet what could cose that problem. In this moodels Hall sensor was a problem, but does HS is having something to do also with fuel injections? Like cut off???

BTW checking injectors harness, what is the proper way?? As I said before when connecting the voltmeter it shows 0,3v which is very low and do not think will be able to open injector.
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Re: Injectors problem
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2017, 07:37:33 AM »
What I see, the green/white wire should be your + power to the injector and the yellow/grey would be the switched ground lead going to the motronic controller.

Disconnect the wire connector from both injectors and then you should be able to read +12 on the green/white with ignition turned on(don't try to start it, just key on, kill switch on, stand up). You may only be able to see power on the injector when the fuel pump is actually running. Like the K, the pump may only prime for a few seconds and then turn off. You may need someone to turn on the key while you have your meter connected so you can read it at the same time.
If you don't see any power while the pump is running, you most liklely have a wiring problem with the green/white wire. If the bike had been outside, in a shed or something, not unheard of to have mice eat on wiring.

I'm not versed with boxers either, but like you, I would think that the motornic would work the same as on the bricks. Hall sensors tell the motronic when to run the fuel pump and when to fire the injectors, and spark plugs.
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Re: Injectors problem
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2017, 04:24:19 PM »
Scott, I'm a stupid jerk....but someone else (previous owner) is worst. I could not find the pressure and was thinking about pressure regulator or fuel pump but nothing of this....someone changed fuel pipes and connect pressure to return ones so that is why was no pressure. Now my boxer is working...SCOTT thanks for your help anyway. Thanks a lot.
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