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Offline The Dude

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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #500 on: May 19, 2017, 12:11:22 AM »
 :popcorm What a pain! So some clown thought a bit of bog would work with the M8 instead of M10 helicoil?
Stronger than new now though,unless it was bogged for a bad reason?

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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #501 on: May 19, 2017, 12:39:58 AM »

I've experienced worse I had a 64 Impala Company car, opened the door on a slope when I let go of the door it closed on my leg and just about broke it.  :yow  Took it back to work and removed the door trim, lower half of the door was filled with concrete and chicken wire.  :mbird It had a beautiful paint job silver with a white roof, but on really close inspection was full of concrete and chicken wire. The salesmen who traded it had given the guy top dollar and copped heaps over it. In his defence it was the best job of concreting I've ever seen, it was a master piece Da Vinci would have been in awe.  :clap: :hehehe
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #502 on: May 19, 2017, 05:06:42 PM »
Took the bike out today for a gentle shake down ride.  I only went about 10 miles but it was enough to warm the bike up fully and try every gear.  I was careful with the revs, no higher than 4500 so far.  Nonetheless the bike feels good and strong and smooth. I added molybdenum disulfide in with the gear oil and the shifts do seems very smooth.  The new transmission does sound different to the old one but not in a bad way.  Fingers crossed it is all good for now and I can get a few miles under me at last. :riding:
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #503 on: May 20, 2017, 06:00:04 AM »
I did that with the moly too, but when I put it in a beaker and mixed it in with the gear oil, after pouring it into the transmission most of the power had already settled to a layer of sludge in the beaker -- so I'm wondering whether this solid mixed in with the oil will really do anything but separate out from the liquid and cake up on the floor of the transmission case.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #504 on: May 20, 2017, 07:31:13 AM »
Quote from: Motorhobo on May 20, 2017, 06:00:04 AM
I did that with the moly too, but when I put it in a beaker and mixed it in with the gear oil, after pouring it into the transmission most of the power had already settled to a layer of sludge in the beaker -- so I'm wondering whether this solid mixed in with the oil will really do anything but separate out from the liquid and cake up on the floor of the transmission case.
A few functions might be influencing what was observed by you, Motorhobo. If the volume of oil in the beaker was significantly less than the total volume of oil the transmission should contain, the solution in the beaker might have been saturated by the powder and could suspend no more powder. Second, the rate at which the powder dissolves might be dependent on the temperature of the oil. The amount of powder added might dissolve once the oil was warmed up. Last, two teaspoons might be excessive.

I think you should run the bike then drain the oil and search for precipitates. Do that a couple of times—maybe half a dozen, even more times using different amounts of powder. Keep careful records. I'm looking forward to your report as an entry in my diary.  :popcorm
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #505 on: May 20, 2017, 07:42:14 AM »
I only did a half teaspoon per the amount that goes in there as per the recommendation I read here, so the amount wasn't an issue. Temperature was room temperature, around 75 degrees. I mixed it well and only poured in what had not settled, i.e. I didn't go trying to re-mix the sludge at the bottom of the beaker -- I figured either it settles in the beaker or in the case, and preferably in the beaker.

Don't have time to drain, check, redrain, repeat, keep log book -- the stuff is in there now and it's going to stay in there forever if it's settled. Anyway, it's irrelevant whether the stuff is in there or in a beaker. You can measure how much is suspended permanently and how much settles on the bench with a measuring spoon, a beaker and an eggbeater. But my suspicion is that if the powder is heaver than the liquid, it will all settle eventually and enough of it got on the gear splines to do any good -- that's a question for hell if I know who.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #506 on: May 20, 2017, 07:44:55 AM »
Quote from: Motorhobo on May 20, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Don't have time to drain, check, redrain, repeat, keep log book
That's a disappointment I'll just learn to live with. :giggles
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #507 on: May 20, 2017, 07:48:38 AM »
Quote from: Laitch on May 20, 2017, 07:44:55 AM
That's a disappointment I'll just learn to live with. :giggles

Don't disappoint yourself -- you've got beakers, eggbeaters and logbooks and lots of time on your hands -- we're counting on you! :2thumbup:
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #508 on: May 20, 2017, 07:59:57 AM »
Quote from: Motorhobo on May 20, 2017, 07:48:38 AM
Don't disappoint yourself -- you've got beakers, eggbeaters and logbooks and lots of time on your hands -- we're counting on you! :2thumbup:
I'm out of beakers.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #509 on: May 20, 2017, 08:26:59 AM »
eBay or Amazon I am sure can solve the beaker problem.  In fact would a measuring cup from the Walmart kitchen section not work as well?


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #510 on: May 20, 2017, 08:34:12 AM »
I confess -- 'beaker' was exaggerated -- I used a plastic beer mug. Send me a SASE and it's yours  :2thumbup:


But seriously -- I'm wondering whether the moly powder can do any good if all it does is sink to the bottom. Maybe that's worth a separate thread...if anyone wants expend valuable brain cells on the issue.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #511 on: May 20, 2017, 08:46:41 AM »
MoS2 i.e. "Moly' is a platy mineral.  The lubrication comes from the plates sliding easily.  Or some such physical property which the details elude me this morning.  I would hope that if it settles it would be rapidly stirred up with the movement of the oil in the gear box.  I would never expect it to dissolve as the chemistry of oil and MoS2 would not allow that and the sliding property would be lost. The best would be suspension, which from your experience is not possible with the particle size used.

So let us hope for the stirring and mixing while riding occurs.


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #512 on: May 20, 2017, 09:43:58 AM »
Christmas is coming. Make your own stocking stuffers from supplies available here.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #513 on: May 20, 2017, 03:38:06 PM »
Amusing observation 'hobo.
The fairy dust sinks to the bottom.Who'd have thought? :hehehe
I guess a good thrashing would stir it up some.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #514 on: May 20, 2017, 05:53:23 PM »

I use Molybond 2.5 in a tube it is suspended in some sort of lubricant. On gearbox changes there is no goop coming out on the change, however I am doing the changes hot, and didn't use it on the last change. So out of curiosity I will keep it to one side the next time I use it and allow it to settle. :dunno :popcorm
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #515 on: May 20, 2017, 08:19:08 PM »
Quote from: The Dude on May 20, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
Amusing observation 'hobo.
The fairy dust sinks to the bottom.Who'd have thought? :hehehe
I guess a good thrashing would stir it up some.


Well, from my perspective what's amusing is that the observation was less about the obvious fact that it sank to the bottom, but rather about the dense sludge that accumulated there. Seems you missed my point, The Dude -- the point being that it didn't just settle into a happy pile of feather-light fairy dust -- that would have been grand since just a bit of turbulence would suffice to propel it into a state of at least temporary suspension -- but instead it appears that the particles bonded with each other to create a sludgy goo that stuck to the bottom of the 'beaker' like thick, black donkey snot. And my suspicion is that the turbulence in the transmission isn't enough to stir up that donkey snot because it's not a collection of particles any more, but rather a solid. It took several passes with paper towels and Simply Green to get that snot out of the bottom of the 'beaker'. So -- it ain't pixie dust. If you think it is, put some in a 'beaker', stir it up and look at it yourself. Do I want that donkey snot in the bottom of my transmission or final drive case? I don't know -- I'm not passing judgement about whether it does any good, I"m just saying what happens to it when it is placed in the fluid environment of gear oil. But the point of whether it does any good is moot, because after observing the donkey snot firsthand, don't matter how many times I drain the fluid, that snot ain't coming out. It's in there and is staying in there, for better or worse, and anyone considering using it should be aware of that.






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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #516 on: May 20, 2017, 08:29:28 PM »
Interesting.  I have a bottle of Guard dog transmission additive with moly.  It has been sitting on the garage shelf with no disturbance for more than a year, and nothing settled out.

What is the brand and specifications of the product you are dealing with?

I too bought some moly powder off eBay, but maybe a test is in order before getting black snot syndrome.


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #517 on: May 20, 2017, 08:38:47 PM »
I think we're talking about the same moly powder from eBay and the liquid in question is Mobile 1 Synthetic 75W90 gear oil but I'm sure you're going to get the same results with any gear oil. I have some Guard Dog that's over five years old and also no separation, but that's because the binding agent isn't a liquid but a paste. Like I said, I'm not saying mixing the moly powder in with gear oil is bad, in the sense that it might cause any damage. I'm just not sure it's good in the sense that it brings any tangible benefit if all it does is separate out from the liquid and create a layer of non-mixing solid that lives at the bottom of the case.


Go ahead and mix some up if you get a minute Elipten, I'd be interested to hear your opinion.


Edit@Elipten -- On second reading I see you're talking about GD transmission additive, not paste -- I don't know why it's not separating -- what's the percentage moly and particle size in that additive? Maybe just too much was used and the recommended amount should be in the hundredths of a tablespoon rather than half and the particles are too large to suspend.
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #518 on: May 21, 2017, 04:10:43 PM »
"Seems you missed my point"
:hehehe Motohobo  :hehehe
Yep.Appologies for that,I did it deliberately,which could be considered unforgivable but for no malice intended.
It's still funny it sinking to the bottom and staying there.I was originally going to suggest a stick to stir it up with before your ride but I'm going to pull my head in instead. :hehehe
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #519 on: May 24, 2017, 07:48:58 PM »
Arrgghh the killer driveway from hell got me today!  With the new rain it is super slick and the rear wheel got away from me on the steepest part with the handlebars on nearly full lock.

I dropped the bike!

No huge damage but what a bummer.

Broken indicator lens (luckily glueable - yay superglue!)
Broken mirror - time to stick on some regular glass for now
A few scratches on mirror pod and fairing

All LHS.


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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #520 on: May 24, 2017, 08:03:45 PM »
Probably going to happen again.  So you got to ask yourself, is this a garage queen or a battle scared veteran that I will ride and scar again?




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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #521 on: May 24, 2017, 08:16:14 PM »
To be ridden for sure.  Sh1t happens, at least the bike is still rideable and the damage minimal.  I am 5'6" and it is a heavy bike, I always knew from the day I got it I would drop it on the driveway eventually, it was a question of when not if.  Ride on and enjoy!
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #522 on: May 24, 2017, 08:17:10 PM »
Quote from: Filmcamera on May 24, 2017, 07:48:58 PM
All LHS.
Iconoclastic!

Now it's a question of how many times. :giggles
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #523 on: May 24, 2017, 09:26:05 PM »
Did someone ask my why I keep my K-Bikes naked with just a Parabellum on the front?


No? I'll tell you anyway...


That's why...I've dropped all four of the ones I own/have owned at least once.


Some of us suspect you did it on purpose just to have an excuse to extend this endless thread :riding:
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Re: K100RS parked for four months outside in all weathers
« Reply #524 on: May 24, 2017, 10:04:47 PM »
Quote from: Filmcamera on May 24, 2017, 07:48:58 PM
Time to practice my filling, sanding and painting skills.
Can you paint/varnish and sand the driveway eg. create a non-slip surface?
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