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Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2015, 02:02:32 PM »
You really shouldn't be making chili in the gas tank...
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2015, 02:26:30 PM »
You really shouldn't be making chili in the gas tank...

Right?!  I mean, sure it sounds appealing to be able to pack a snack for the road, but the gas mileage is horrible.  :hehehe
  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2015, 02:46:56 PM »
No gas mileage problems with some of the chilies I've had the pleasure of meeting.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2015, 07:55:43 AM »
So, my speedometer hasn't worked either. Think I figured it out.

Attached is the connector for the speedometer PCB. A wee bit rusted...

Peeled open the ribbon and spent some quality time with q tips and some vinegar and its all cleaned up now. I'll throw it in today and see what happens.

Everything else looked good, including bulbs, so not sure if the speedometer would affect the other items. I'll also test the bulbs and voltage today if the speedometer works.

  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2015, 03:02:53 PM »
Ok, so finally got fed-up and ebay'd a flasher relay with the mindset that I could test with it and return it if there was no change.

Blink blink.  Blink blink.

Damnit.  That was the issue all along.

So then I jumpered the pins for BMU socket and surprise surprise...the BMU was the issue.

Then I did some voltage testing on the connection pins for the gauges and, more surprise, all the data coming in was fine.

Basically, despite there being no corrosion on the circuit boards, apparently years of heat and salt air (bike was stored under cover but outside in Galveston, TX) killed most anything with a sealed circuit board.

So I found a new BMU for $30 on ebay and a new gauge cluster for $95 and I'm going to throw those in (keeping my 16k speedometer chunk) and hopefully that should be the last of the issues!
  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit.
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2015, 02:06:00 AM »
I FINALLY FINISHED FIXED ALL THE ELECTRICAL!  EVERYTHING WORKS!!!!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ok, so recap:
1) The original blinker issue was, in fact, the flasher unit.  Plain and simple.
2) My dash was pretty badly rusted inside, which was why certain lights weren't working and the speedo, despite having signal at the pin, was reading nothing (it was the circuit board).  Ordered a new one, and good to go.  Even took apart the donor odometer and set it to the correct mileage.

3) All my other electrical gremlins, though, actually could be traced back to the LED lights the PO put in, but not in the way I thought.

So symptoms were now:
a) both the old and new BMU worked as they should with the new speedometer.  Hit both brakes and the light went out.  This was especially strange because...
b) my taillight was out.  The bulb was good, no indicator on the dash, but I was getting *no* current to the socket unless I jumpered the pins at the BMU, which is why I figured that was the issue
c) my ABS diagnostic was telling me Code 7, aka my computer is messed up.  rats.

So the 'aha' moment came tonight when I realized that when I switched the BMU, I still got the same symptoms.  Took a look at the pinout diagram and realized that the taillight doesn't get it's power from the 12v source, it gets it from the ignition switch by way of fuse #2.

Checked the incoming wire with a voltmeter and it had *no* voltage.  So the issue had to be *upstream* of the BMU. Swapped fuses for #2 and got the same result.  Checked the incoming voltage and got *nothing*, but from battery to ground was perfect, so the issue was upstream of the fuse.

Took a look at the ignition switch and noticed one of the wires had been tucked back into the loom.  Turns out, that wire *just* powers the tail light and parking light.  The guy wanted to run an LED without bothering the BMU, so he jumpered that pin from the 12v and disconnected the wire so the BMU wouldn't have enough current to notice something was wrong.

Coincidentally, that same wire that feeds the taillight also feeds the ABS computer data somehow, so by tampering with it, he had disabled the ABS at the same time.  Once it was reconnected and I cleared the codes, I finally got the steady shining LED I had been hoping for.

So I think she's completely good to go now.  I haven't let my tank run low enough to check the fuel light yet.  I'm hoping it's fine, and I'm not sure I care if I don't.  I probably still need to do the fork seals and change some fluids, but that'll be projects for the winter.  For now, she's a smooth running flying brick with only 16k on the clock.  Time to do some riding!

Thanks again for all your help, everybody.  Batman appreciates it.
  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2015, 09:10:33 AM »
How I felt when I got it fixed and everyone was already asleep.

  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2015, 10:01:33 AM »
What incredibly good news!  :clap:  It's always nice to hear of someone curing a bunch of really weird problems.

Can you share any information on disassembling the speedo?   I want to flatten out a badly warped dial face, but can't figure out how to get the pointer off without breaking it.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2015, 10:47:11 AM »
how to get the pointer off without breaking it.

I just pulled straight up.
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Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2015, 01:25:17 PM »
I tried that. but the force level rose to where it felt like I was going to break something and I chickened out.  Is there a difference between early and late model instruments?  My speedo is a '94.  That needle sure didn't want to let go.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2015, 01:28:00 PM »
I used a '92 and a (I think) '94 in my swap.  With both needles, nothing was glued in, it was just press-fit, but press fit pretty tight.  I had a spare so I could be a little harsh and not worry.

The metal spindle is pretty secure, so just get a fork or something underneath it so you can pull evenly on both sides and give it a good solid tug.  The first time is the worst and it gets easier after that.
  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2015, 01:35:05 PM »
Will be revisiting my speedo this winter.   Getting to be that time of year when I get pretty envious of all you southern guys.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

Offline HuckItForward

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2015, 01:49:10 PM »
Will be revisiting my speedo this winter.   Getting to be that time of year when I get pretty envious of all you southern guys.

Don't be too jealous.  I'm moving to Michigan next week, ha ha.  :falldown:
  • Flushing, MI
  • '92 K75s
K75s w/ABS 16k miles
Bought it to save from being parted out, hoping to sell it onto someone who's looking for it specifically.

Offline The Mighty Gryphon

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Re: Blinkers don't blink. Just stay lit. [SOLVED]
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2015, 09:22:14 PM »
Welcome to the Great White North!  I just hope it's not the Upper Peninsula where you're moving.   Lovely people those Yupers, but 9 months of winter can wear on any man's spirit.
  • In my garage in Marilla, NY
  • '91K100RS White/Blue
Current:
'91 K100RS16V "Moby Brick Too"

Past:
'94 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
'92 K100RS16V "Moby Brick" (RIP, deceased in a vehicular assault)
'94 K75S Special Edition Dakar Yellow "Cheetos"
'89 K100RS Special Edition "Special Ed"

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