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Offline Beardman

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k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« on: October 10, 2014, 01:04:26 PM »
Hi.
First of probably many posts.
I have just bought a K75 H reg. It has been turned into a rat bike and had mini bulb indicators fitted to the front and some LED type things at the back (with resistors fitted). I have tried to put some normal bulb mini indicators on the back,the same as the front, but they seem to be flashing rather fast, the same speed as the LED things actually. I don't think there is a way of changing the relay box which you could do on a normal bike (the large green box with the 2 screws if I am correct?).
 So what do I do?

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 01:49:12 PM »
greetings beardman...

welcome to motobrick.com...

hard to know what you gotts going on there... once a motobrick is customized its hard to figger it out without good photos and great detail...

there are lotts led turn signal mods... some use a signalminder... some use oem relay and resistors... some mod the relay internally... some add all kinda stuff in there...

butts they all flash fast when there is whack...

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Offline Novafrk

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 02:12:39 PM »
If you put regular bulbs back into the system you have increased the resistance... let me back up. Most turn signal flashers use a bi-metallic switch (bms) to open and close the circuit. The bms heats up based on amperage draw which is related to the bulbs in the circuit. LED's draw very little amperage. So when an incandescent light bulb is replaced with led often times the bms doesn't get hot enough to break contact. One of the cures is to install a resister pack into the circuit so the amperage draw is the same as it was with incandescent bulbs.

So, when you put incandescent bulbs back into the system after this mod, you now have twice the amperage draw you had before, the bms heats up twice as fast and cycles accordingly. In all of my custom bikes I use led's because of the lower amperage draw. This makes life easier for early Honda alternators which weren't all that robust. I use a flasher unit designed for semi Trucks. They are a 2 prong, 1 wire unit. The two prongs go into the normal wiring and the wire is a ground. There is a little motor and cam that spins and opens/closes the circuit. It doesn't have a bms so it works whether you have 2 lights, 18 lights or leds.

I hope this helps.

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 02:30:28 PM »
It isn't any bimetall switch in the relay, it's a all electronic relay exept the coil operated switches inside.

But it's a built in safety feature which speed up the flash rate when one bulb is out, to make the driver
aware of this........and because of that also to correct load is needed for a proper function.
Correct wattage when using incandescebnt bulbs, and correct resistance when using LED's.

And as Johnny says it's possible to open the relay and cut this safety feature, or change out the relay
for a Kisan signalminder.
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Offline Novafrk

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 03:34:59 PM »
Well alrighty then. I'll have to look into how BMW does it. Sorry for the misleading reply.
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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 04:05:56 PM »
If you put regular bulbs back into the system you have increased the resistance... l



Actually if you put regular bulbs back into the system you decrease the resistance.
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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 07:51:13 PM »
greetings novafrk...

these motobricks are whack... once you getts familiar with everything it still wont make sense... cause its whack...

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2014, 09:17:40 PM »
Read about the flasher module modification in this web page.  I've done the modification myself and prefer to cut the trace on the circuit card than to try and cut the pin as Duck outlines.
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Offline Beardman

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 07:35:24 AM »
Thanks Robert. What a fantastic tip, has worked like a treat but rather fiddly to do when you have fingers like sausages...  :clap: . Shame I have paid out 30 quid on another relay box as I thought it was faulty and another fiver on mini bulb indicators. The rear LED things now work without resistors, so its a good job I didn't buy a pair of them as well.  :mbird

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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2014, 08:34:12 AM »
greetings novafrk...

these motobricks are whack... once you getts familiar with everything it still wont make sense... cause its whack...

j o

I'm used to the old systems. I should have known BMW would be doing it differently.
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Re: k75 Indicators flashing too fast
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2014, 08:46:51 AM »
Thanks Robert. What a fantastic tip, has worked like a treat but rather fiddly to do when you have fingers like sausages...
Yes, it is fiddly work to cut an IC pin in-situ and you need precision electronics tools to accomplish this with minimal risk of ruining the circuit.  But if you choose to cut the trace on the reverse side of the card, then a utility knife is all that is needed.  I should take a photo of my flasher to show where to cut the trace ... but it will become obvious if you examine the card right around that particular pin (IIRC, it gets grounded to enable the hyperflash feature).
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