Author Topic: 85 K100 ...all of a sudden backfiring and stalling when HOT! Still not fixed!  (Read 796 times)

Offline Atabeach

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The problem is occurring when the bike is cool also. I took the bike out today and it ran fine for a while.
Some observations and my thought process:
When the problem occurs the front exhaust pipe tube and the rearmost pipe are significantly cooler.  Using an infrared sensor confirms this….They are not firing as they should.  I believe this is cylinder 1 & 4
Tests:
  when the problem is occurring… I will use a test lamp at the back of Hall sensor connection , pin 2 and or 5 to positive terminal…).
   When the problem is occurring I will test the black wire clip on coil 1 & 4 …to a positive terminal. Depending on results…
I will then bench test coil or swap them with extras I have.
Please let me know if this makes sense or if I am missing something
TIA
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Offline daveson

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Yep, that makes sense.

We don't know the quality of your spare coils. One option, swap the coils on your bike, if the problem transfers to cylinders two and three,  it's probably a bad coil.

On my 1984 brick, both coils had cracked cases, but the cracks could only be seen after removing the coils. They both had open circuits, so that would probably be a quicker test than swapping them.

Notice in the Hall sensor video that the test wire is clamped to the battery negative post, not the positive. It is tricky. The pulsing signal from the Hall sensor is positive, but the pulsing signal from the computer is negative.

To muddy the waters even more, they came up with a real doozy. I would have loved to be in the meeting room when they designed this one, but I can imagine how it went. Someone in the meeting says "Hey, the two positive signals from the hall sensors, let's have an orange wire for one, and a brown wire for the other, because every other brown wire on the bike is negative" They all started laughing, then someone says "good one Fritz, let's go with that"
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Offline Atabeach

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 so the coils were tested on bike and then removed..bench tested...2.6 ohms
COILS GOOD.
The hall sensor was bench tested...good..UNTIL
The hall sensor connection was tested ON BIKE...( 12 SECOND VIDEO ) .Orange to lamp to 12V No light! Same with Brown.
WTF! the bike starts!
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  • 1994 k75 Standard, 1985 k100 ( BFK 49 states) 2002 Harley’s Dyna, NEW 1999 R1100SA & my favorite 2006 Vespa LX150!

Offline Laitch

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Too early to start the party.
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so the coils were tested on bike and then removed..bench tested...2.6 ohms
COILS GOOD.
What's the value at the secondary terminals?
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Offline daveson

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It's good to know I'm not the only one who has WTF moments.

When I found out that both coils on my brick were open circuit, I said to myself "WTF, but the bike starts and runs" So I said it again, I said "Daveson, what the fuck"

It was very difficult to start, but when warm it would start easy and run well.

Here's my guess, which may apply in your case as well. I guess there was a crack somewhere along the circuit. Depending on the location of the crack, sometimes the crack gets larger when warm, sometimes it gets smaller. The electricity can jump the gap, as it does at the spark plug. The Hall sensor problem could be opposite to the coil problem I had, therefore when it gets warm, the gap gets bigger, and it struggles to cope. I think the situation with my coils was very unusual, because every other time I've heard about coil problems, they failed when they got warm.

Maybe it's just the hall sensor plug. I would repeat the test on both sides of the plug. If the test result is good on the input side of the plug, then you need a new plug, because the test result was a fail on the output side.
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Offline Laitch

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It's good to know I'm not the only one who has WTF moments.
Of course you aren't; we even have an emoji here for the occasion.  :thisplacewhack
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Offline Atabeach

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W-T-F..
Laitch…OL reading across both secondary spark plug terminals in BOTH coils. I used two different multi meters. 2.8 across primary. The bike starts and runs. 

Observations, With the bike running:
Test light from primary coil to ground illuminated test light but slowed idle. (Probably normal)
Test light from hall sensor female pins ( back of clip ) 2 & 5 to positive terminal did not illuminate small led or test lamp…
ALERT! This morning started bike…ran rough ….TEST LIGHT from pin 2 & or 5 to positive shut bike IMMEDIATELY …test lamp does NOT illuminate
…the light…The fan clicks on normally when hot.

Continuity between hall sensor disk  & wires / wire pins are good.
Not sure where FEMALE pins lead…please advise! I want to test continuity.

Question: I have 3 K 75 coils. Can I safely remove one primary wire & spark plug wire …and attach to one of the K75 coils?
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  • 1994 k75 Standard, 1985 k100 ( BFK 49 states) 2002 Harley’s Dyna, NEW 1999 R1100SA & my favorite 2006 Vespa LX150!

Offline Laitch

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Laitch…OL reading across both secondary spark plug terminals in BOTH coils. . . .  I have 3 K 75 coils. Can I safely remove one primary wire & spark plug wire …and attach to one of the K75 coils?
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Offline daveson

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Of course you aren't; we even have an emoji here for the occasion.  :thisplacewhack

Wow, I always thought of that as meaning "nothing to see here" or "boring"

I hope I haven't put any noses out of joint in the past, due to my misinterpretation of that one.
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  • Current; '85 K100RT~100,000km; four other bricks. Past; Vulcan 1500, V Star 650, KLX 250(dirt bike) TT250(dirt bike)

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Wow, I always thought of that as meaning "nothing to see here" or "boring"
It was labeled by its creator, "Thisplaceiswhack".  :laughing4-giggles:
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