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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2018, 09:47:04 AM »
I think his thinking is That The fact that it can’t be locked up with full force indicates to him that it does not have the same stopping power as a disk.
I'm thinking your thinking and his thinking are correct regarding the drum brake not being as powerful—at least as it is currently configured, if not altogether.

That's one of the reasons disc brakes supplanted drum brakes. It's likely he could lock up the rear drum brake if it were hydraulically actuated or perhaps if the brake lever were differently configured for greater leverage. Maybe the current system on his moto just needs more fine tuning; however, trying to demonstrate one of those other drum brake operation options might be an interesting project for a student to undertake.

Locking up the rear brake would seem to be mainly important to stunters, and bulked-up riders carrying full loads of touring gear in San Francisco waiting at stoplights to travel uphill. :giggles  The ability of the rear brake to shed heat might be important to all riders. Front brakes seem to be universally considered as the best sources for braking power. I'm fairly certain riders were low-siding by skidding long before rear disc brakes became common.

Your son is attending motorcycle technician school and, if he hasn't already, should pose this question concerning the importance of lock-up capability in rear brakes—and why his drum brake won't lock-up—to his instructors. Opinions generated by that discussion should be shared.
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2018, 10:18:32 AM »
it could be a matter of conforming the machine to the man rather than the man conforming to the machine.  If the former, I'd go the paralever route and thoroughly modernize the back end.
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2018, 03:14:45 PM »
Initially BMW supplied different pads for the front and rear brakes. The rear pads supplied had less bite to avoid the issue of brakes locking.
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2018, 07:35:13 AM »
Of course!  Disk is 100% always superior braking power over drum, looks cooler, chicks dig it.  Went non abs 87s to 94s this year and when driving hard it allowed me to learn to push the unit to its limit.  I use rear always as a practice.. my form of unified braking . So much time spent growing up hot riding beetles, all I generally
 want to know is does it have rear disk brakes?  If not, how do I get em. If I had been infected by a c I’d have found an s. And yes for every day tooling around drums are fine obviously right?🧐😬
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2018, 06:34:35 PM »
Thanks for the interesting discussion. 

The next question is: Is the rear brake on my 86 K750 providing the same stopping power as other 86 k75s with a rear drum brake?
 
Who has a K75 with a rear drum brake that is willing to do some parking lot tests?  This weekend I will try to sand my drum to ensure it has a good surface then measure some stopping distances using only the rear brake at different speeds on flat ground.  I will also measure ambient air temp and the amount of time I warm the bike up and include my body weight. Any other variables I need to think about?
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2018, 06:44:30 PM »
abs1 or other...

final drive oil weight...

single finger pull or 5 finger death pull...

last brake fluid change...

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replace air with nitrogen...

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full tank of gas...

brake pad temperature before and after...

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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2018, 07:06:04 PM »
metallic, sintered or organic?
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 07:40:56 PM »
New or old cable?
Lubricated or dry cam?
Popeye or Wimpy forearms?
Paper or plastic?
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 07:51:24 PM »
... the 'S' model has a disc ...
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2018, 07:59:00 PM »
LOLOLOLOL.  It has been a miserable week at work and I needed this tonight. 
The testing is scheduled to begin tomorrow afternoon.  I will keep you posted so all you drummers out there get ready.

I will also make sure i make passes in both directions to compensate for wind.
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2018, 08:07:08 PM »
I will also make sure i make passes in both directions to compensate for wind.
That's right. Farting skews the data.
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Re: ‘86 K75 rear drum to disk brake?
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2018, 08:28:37 AM »
Speaking of passing air ...
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