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Offline Lazarus

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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2015, 04:01:27 PM »
Scott does this make sense? Is it possible for the sensor to test good with one polarity and bad with swapped polarity?
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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2015, 04:12:51 PM »
They are supposed to polarity sensitive.
What causes me to scratch my head, as it doesn't make sense, is how BOTH sensors could fail at the same time.
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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2015, 04:19:15 PM »
The AC voltage measured is dependant on the duty cycle of the signal.  Bert says 1.5VAC - 4VAC because the duty cycle at idle is less than that at say 2000-3000 RPM.  The signal you are trying to measure looks like this (this is probed directly at the primary winding of the Cyl.1 coil on a K75):



As the RPM increases, those spikes get closer together, causing a rise in true RMS volts read by the multimeter.  A reading of 0.3VAC indicates to me that the pulses, if any, are coming intermittently.  My guess is the HES is not reliably telling the ICU when to generate the primary coil pulses; it points to the HES itself or the wiring.  Your later posts indicate a malfunctioning HES.  Using an oscilloscope to measure the ICU signals on Pins 9, 12 and 14 would be the best way to confirm your diagnosis.

When testing the HES, have you tried the trick of passing a feeler gauge through the gap?  That will activate the hall effect and show you signals on the voltmeter that vary slowly, allowing the LED/meter to respond properly.  The procedure is illustrated in this file.

As for polarity, I believe the HES is polarity sensitive.  I believe the magnetic field would not be generated in the correct direction if the supply is reversed.
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Offline Lazarus

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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2015, 05:49:54 PM »
Thank you two for being so helpful. Ill update when the new HES comes in! In the mean time, heres the bike!
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Offline BeemerNewbie

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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2015, 07:00:06 PM »
Lazarus did the new HES fix your issue?

Kind of curious as I've run into a similar issue on a bike I'm attempting to restore. My problem is good fuel, but no spark and aside from swapping in a new HES or ignition module I've tried just about everything else.
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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2015, 10:42:13 PM »
Comes in tomorrow, I will let you know soon
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Offline Lazarus

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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2015, 09:40:55 AM »
New Hall Sensor fixed the problem. She's firing up and running smooth!
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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2015, 03:06:24 PM »
Awesome! Glad it worked out for you.

Where did you pick up the new HES? And where did you get the parts to make the LED tester? Radio shack or something?

Thanks.
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Offline Lazarus

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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2015, 12:12:55 PM »
The new HES I got off eBay from Germany for around $140 shipped. Im sure you could find a used one but I didn't mind spending extra for a new part.

The LED I got from radioshack for pennies. Make sure it is a 12 volt led.
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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2015, 10:27:36 PM »
I tested the HES per Bert's instructions as you did. LED turned off on both sensors when a gauge was inserted. The bike fired right up once after playing with HES. When I shut it down and attempted a second start it was the usual no spark scenario.  What was the story behind the reversed polarity theory? What made you so confident it was the hall sensor?

I ordered a ignition module cheap off ebay and if that doesn't fix it then the next step is the hall sensor.
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Offline mufflerbearings

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Re: k75C No Spark No Injection!
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2015, 10:58:36 PM »
The new HES I got off eBay from Germany for around $140 shipped.

Lazarus, is this the hall effect sensor you ordered? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HALLGEBER-NEU-f-BMW-K-75-alle-Modelle-HALL-PICKUP-Hall-Sensor-K-75-all-types/301638250348?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D31478%26meid%3Df909c92f47274477bd0d4277d9e597f6%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D281612366061

If so, was it just a matter of splicing in the different style plug on the computer side?  I'm not exactly an electrical wizard, but I can kluge wires together like a champ. :yes
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