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Offline Zorman

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Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« on: August 07, 2012, 05:56:39 PM »
What can I do to fix a small leak by the valve in the rear tire of my K100 without having to take it the bike to the shop?  The leak is coming from the nut that keeps the valve in the rim. The pressure drops from 38psi to 18 in about two days.

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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 06:07:47 PM »
I'd loosen the valve core and let all of the air out of the tire.

Then loosen the nut, clean the area with rubbing alcohol and get some clear RTV in there and then re-tighten the nut. Then let it sit uninflated until the RTV has cured.

If that didn't work I would next try 5 minute epoxy.

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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2012, 11:45:10 PM »
I'd loosen the valve core and let all of the air out of the tire.

Then loosen the nut, clean the area with rubbing alcohol and get some clear RTV in there and then re-tighten the nut. Then let it sit uninflated until the RTV has cured.

If that didn't work I would next try 5 minute epoxy.

And then JB Weld.

I would replace the valve assembly. You can get a rubber one for a few bucks. Just take it to any car tire shop. Or break the bead yourself, push the sidewall in, and push the valve out. Pop a new one in.
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 12:37:32 AM »
Why would you ever want to replace a metal valve stem assembly with a rubber one? I'l give you one guess as to which one will fail catastrophically first.
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 01:33:44 PM »
Why would you ever want to replace a metal valve stem assembly with a rubber one? I'l give you one guess as to which one will fail catastrophically first.

I think that depends.  I had this discussion with the owner of my local BMW dealer.  Of course he told me that BMW would only recommend their valve stems, which are rubber (actually, a metal "core" bonded to a rubber boot).  They have a very low failure rate, especially if you spend the few dollars it cost to replace them at each tire change. 

I asked him about the 90 degree metal ones, since they would sure make pressure checks and filling easier, especially on the front.  He said he is a fan of those if the wheel is designed for them, and has a brace that stabilizes it like some GoldWings apparently do.  He said he would not recommend the 90 degree metal ones on my K75 wheels, but would install them if that's what I wanted.  He has seen cases where vibrations at highway speeds have caused the washer to slowly wear or warp and the nut to eventually come loose, even with lock-tite, causing a sudden loss of pressure.  Not a fun thing to happen.  This is due to the eccentric load the 90 degree bend causes.  In a nut-shell, his recommendation was to use what BMW recommends, but that if I want metal valve stems, use the straight ones.

In reality, all valve stems are subject to some amount of vibration, since no tire is balanced perfectly, you pick up some dirt, etc.  The 90 degree bend makes it more problematic.

I wanted to add a tire pressure monitor system, so I had them install the straight metal ones.  They rely on a nut to keep them in place, instead of just air pressure, so I do intend to check that nut every time I check the tire pressure.  Probably just takes a few seconds to grab the stem and try to wiggle it.  I think if it don't wiggle, its still tight.
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2014, 11:11:33 PM »


I think that depends.  I had this discussion with the owner of my local BMW dealer.  Of course he told me that BMW would only recommend their valve stems, which are rubber (actually, a metal "core" bonded to a rubber boot).  They have a very low failure rate, especially if you spend the few dollars it cost to replace them at each tire change. 

I asked him about the 90 degree metal ones, since they would sure make pressure checks and filling easier, especially on the front.  He said he is a fan of those if the wheel is designed for them, and has a brace that stabilizes it like some GoldWings apparently do.  He said he would not recommend the 90 degree metal ones on my K75 wheels, but would install them if that's what I wanted.  He has seen cases where vibrations at highway speeds have caused the washer to slowly wear or warp and the nut to eventually come loose, even with lock-tite, causing a sudden loss of pressure.  Not a fun thing to happen.  This is due to the eccentric load the 90 degree bend causes.  In a nut-shell, his recommendation was to use what BMW recommends, but that if I want metal valve stems, use the straight ones.

In reality, all valve stems are subject to some amount of vibration, since no tire is balanced perfectly, you pick up some dirt, etc.  The 90 degree bend makes it more problematic.

I wanted to add a tire pressure monitor system, so I had them install the straight metal ones.  They rely on a nut to keep them in place, instead of just air pressure, so I do intend to check that nut every time I check the tire pressure.  Probably just takes a few seconds to grab the stem and try to wiggle it.  I think if it don't wiggle, its still tight.

Can you tell me which one you ended up getting?  No modification necessary to the wheel?  I was going to get the 90 degree one but are they not recommended on the K75?
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 11:24:55 PM »
I put these on my bike with my Tire Pressure Sensors

http://www.revzilla.com/product/bike-master-chrome-valve-stem

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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2014, 05:13:45 PM »
Can you tell me which one you ended up getting?  No modification necessary to the wheel?  I was going to get the 90 degree one but are they not recommended on the K75?
I tried 90 degree valve stems on my K75 and ended up only keeping the rear one.  It interferes with the brake caliper and needs to be oriented in one position to work properly.  This also limits options I have for filling the tire with air.  I'd recommend short valve stems, even though the front disks might offer little access.
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2014, 10:55:26 PM »
Thanks guys!  So it sounds like the straight short metal valve stem is the way to go.  So no modification necessary to install a metal valve stem on the K75, unlike my R1150R that requires some dremel action?
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2014, 09:50:12 AM »

Can you tell me which one you ended up getting?  No modification necessary to the wheel?  I was going to get the 90 degree one but are they not recommended on the K75?
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I used the straight metal ones that came with the Doran tire pressure monitor that I installed.  The Doran kit came with both straight and 90-degree stems.  I threw away the 90's.

No modification to the wheel was necessary, but due to the width of the large Doran pressure monitoring valve stem caps (I installed them on the outside of if the stems, although you have the option of installing them inside the wheel, but then no access to change battery), I did have to shave down the inside edge of the plastic brake cover a tad, so the the caps wouldn't hit it.  The straight stems that come with the Doran kit are fairly long, so if I had shorter stems that wouldn't have been necessary.  Next time I change tires I plan to put on shorter metal valve stems.

My dealer would not recommend the 90's on my K75, or on ANY wheel that is not designed for them.  Personally, I think the ones that Revzilla sells have a wider base and would be more stable than the ones that came with the Doran kit.  I would feel more comfortable using those than the the ones that came in the Doran kit, wihch had a very narrow base.
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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2014, 02:37:37 PM »
greetings jkbroiler...

i have been using bikemaster metal valve stems for a long time... no issues other than the tior tech not having a grasp of the concept...

i stick to the short straights ones cause i gotts a tps sensor screwed on them...



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Re: Slow leak in rear tire by valve
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2015, 10:18:02 PM »
greetings jkbroiler...

i have been using bikemaster metal valve stems for a long time... no issues other than the tior tech not having a grasp of the concept...

i stick to the short straights ones cause i gotts a tps sensor screwed on them...



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Thank Johnny.  I will get those when I replace the my tires.  I once had a rubber valve stem blow out on my Oilhead while I was riding.   :yow  Unfortunately the Oilhead rims do not allow for a metal valve stem without some modification and dremel work; so I just make sure to change the rubber valve stem on my Oilhead with every tire change. 
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