Author Topic: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass  (Read 13112 times)

Offline sbeadg

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A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« on: February 06, 2012, 07:52:57 PM »
The forecast over the weekend was for sunshine and temperatures in the 40's here today.  "Great" I thought.  "I'll go for a ride!"
I put the battery in the bike, geared up and fired her up.  This was going to be a maiden post-service ride and I was psychedhttp://www.motobrick.com/Smileys/MB_Smiley/biggrin.gif
I check tire pressures while the bike was warming up and noticed some less than smooth idling...(dang that old gas...)
Then, I looked down and found: ugh! a pool of tranny fluid on the floor!  A quick trip to the floor found it coming from the clutch boot.  A call to the dealer revealed that they also forgot to re-installsome throttle body washers: that's why they thought I was calling.  I like these guys and everyone f__ks up.  Their excuse was ligit as well.  It WAS too cold for a test ride the week they had the bike.  Anyway, it was like lots of foreplay and then a cold shower.. I even insured it this morning again in anticipation of the ride.
Now I have to trailer it back again and leave it. 
Makes me feel like I should have just ridden it 'until it wouldn't move' ......
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'70 R75/5 Black Beauty
'80 Suzuki 850 (fostered for a friend living in NYC)
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 08:45:28 PM »
Bummer. Sorry to hear that.

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 09:14:24 PM »
Then, I looked down and found: ugh! a pool of tranny fluid on the floor!  A quick trip to the floor found it coming from the clutch boot.  A call to the dealer revealed that they also forgot to re-installsome throttle body washers: that's why they thought I was calling.  I like these guys and everyone f__ks up.  Their excuse was ligit as well.  It WAS too cold for a test ride the week they had the bike.  Anyway, it was like lots of foreplay and then a cold shower.. I even insured it this morning again in anticipation of the ride.
Now I have to trailer it back again and leave it. 
Makes me feel like I should have just ridden it 'until it wouldn't move' ......

Does the dealer like you enough NOT to charge extra for fixing there mistake ?

COLD as an excuse ?  Bullshit, mechanic should have noticed the "extra" TB washers.

The dealer should have called you about the issue FIRST !

Shoddy work, another reason to DIY.



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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 09:21:05 PM »
When do you deliver the horses head to him.
There just aint nothing like doing it yourself if you possibly can.
So now you have to take it back and be left wondering if it is done properly this time

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 01:27:06 AM »
The dealer should have called you about the issue FIRST !

Was my first thought .. they thought you were calling about a problem they knew about and they did not call you first?  I "might" have liked them before that, but after a stunt like that ... done.  They should be coming to pick the bike up and giving you a loaner.  That is beyond excusable.

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 08:29:37 AM »
Thanks guys. 
This "dealer" is a family owned operation of 2 brothers in a shed by the side of the road with a big  :bmwsmile out front.  Been there forever.  What I like about them is they are very laid back/non-slick slash 5 feeling.  I figured they've serviced so many K bikes by now they could do one blind-folded (- and maybe they did this time!!)
Anyway, without a heated garage and a short-ish riding season here, I'm beginning to understand the logic of owning more than one bike.  I must re-read Zen and the Art of... again.  I did do a spline lube on my bike just after I got it.  Very satisfying.  Then, after a thoroughly enjoyable season of riding, I thought I'd treat the bike to a professional servicing - and then not worry about it again for another 20k miles.  I'm still confident that when they finish, it will be all good.  But perhaps a lesson learned, or re-learned that noone is going to take as much care with your ride as - yourself. 
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 06:28:31 PM »
If you want it done right then there is ONLY ONE WAY, do it yourself.   That in itself is almost as satisfying as riding it.

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 09:52:17 PM »
You certainly have a right to your opinion, however strongly you state it.  I live in the land of self sufficiency myself and I wouldn't have it any other way.
There are skills that come easier to some of us than others.  For example, I earn a living as a mason, designing and
building primarily  custom fireplaces and have been at it for 25 years.  Although my work was perfectly acceptable 25 years ago, I can see a progression of skill level as I've advanced on the learning curve.  And I'm still learning.  When I'm not building fireplaces, I like to get on my bike and ride.  I may be able to accomplish the tasks a trained mechanic does, but while doing so, in my mind I'm aware of that trained mechanic watching over my shoulder and chuckling as I take forever (and often times with great trepidation) what he can easily accomplish in short order.  Let's face it, if money is tight we become mechanics, and thats fine.  But I'm willing to trust that there are people out there who find great satisfaction plying their trade on something other than their own.  I've been doing it for 25 years.  I can't be the only one.  :2thumbup:
By the way, I trailered my bike back to the shop and their vibe was contrite and anxious to fix me up.  And I will evaluate future work I want to have done and weigh the option of doing it myself before bringing to my shop.
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 10:21:13 PM »
greetings sbeadg...

you oughtta design and build doomsday shelters...

then you wont have to think about wrenching or riding cause you wont have time...

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 08:05:34 AM »
Ahhhhhh, talk to me about that next year!! :hehehe
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game theory
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 09:23:55 AM »
Sbeadg

It's not about expertise. Think of it in terms of game theory: Like a football game, or, better yet, a chess match. You increase your chances to win if you can figure out what the other guy's gonna do next. Even something as simple as tennis -- if you figure he's gonna rush the net, then you lob the ball behind him. I play handball. The whole secret there is, you return the ball where the other guy isn't. Can't tell you how many times I get my feet set for a shot, hear the other guy's feet rushing over where he expects I'll hit it, and so I hit it the other way instead. That's why prize fighters feint. Most every game has something like that. Figure out the other guy and you can figure out the outcome. So, what you do, you reckon his motivation first, factor in the conditions next, predict the future, and away you go.

Game theory works in a whole slew of other things besides games, like business, and politics. Billions to be made on the one hand and regulations you can weasel out of on the other, what's Goldman Sachs gonna do? Forget the demagogue's fine words and altruistic statements, here comes the health insurance lobbyist with a fistful of cash, who writes the health care law? Here comes the UAW union boss with a pocket full of votes, how's the senator gonna vote on bailouts? This is why we have fascism in a democracy.

Now look at this dealer service you just had using the same game theory. What's his motivation? He needs to make a profit in order to make payroll. He does the job, then he looks at a handful of parts inadvertently left out. Now here's where the conditions have to be factored in. What are the conditions? He quoted you from a book that says how many hours this should take. Now where's he at? If he starts the job all over, he'll take a bath, and he won't make payroll. What's he gonna do? Let things slide and hope you don't notice. It's very feasible you won't. That happens a lot, where you have some washers left over and never miss a beat. Last thing he's gonna do is call you up and say: "I am sending a tow truck out at my expense. I need to bring your bike in here for a day's work at my expense. Oh, by the way, know anyone who wants to buy a bike shop real cheap?"

On the other hand, what if you had done the job? Apply the same game theory to yourself. What's your motivation? Saving bucks, getting to know your machine, enjoying steel, making sure your bike is in shape, something like that. What if you had found a handful of parts after you were done? I positively guarantee you that you would not have let it slide. Why? One of your motivations trumps all the rest: Your ass is on the line. And the conditions favor you, too, because more time taking it all apart again does not cost you your shop. That damn thing is never gonna leak.

What comes next? Well, if your leak hits the clutch push rod it may well run down that rod onto the clutch plate. Now you will have to crack the bike apart in the middle and buy expensive parts. So, you tell me, if this shop that didn't bother to call you about the parts he left out takes the bike back in and puts those parts where they belong, is he gonna go as far as to inspect the clutch plates he endangered and replace them? Yeah. Sure. About as certain as hope and change, ethical stock swindlers, and me letting my handball partner get an easy shot.

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 12:06:19 AM »
Such a "me against the world", this Game Theory!  Do you even have a mortgage, I wonder?  Grow your own food?

In my world view, if the shop can't make a profit and do good work, it won't be around for long.  I don't want them NOT to make a profit.  They're part of the local economy.  I may really need them sometime.  Haven't you ever been stranded on the side of the road as a youngster and had a local garage bail you out?  In my career as a small business owner, I've found that success comes when its "win-win": when the contracted make enough money to want to continue in business - and the contractor feels satisfied (or more) that he got his money's worth.   I'm no different from anyone.  I hate to think I spent dollars unnecessarily.  They flow in sometimes and out sometimes and I reach a point where I think its pointless trying to keep score.  I doubt we really can.
 

 People that can wrench their own bikes should appreciate their ability.  I wish I had the self confidence to tackle the water pump replacement and throttle body synching that the shop did for me. I respect and admire that quality,skill, talent, whatever you want to call it.  I've seen lots of DIY building cob jobs in my career, so when I want a job done right and I don't feel up to it, I use the dollars I earned doing what I do well to exchange for the talent of someone who's decided to make wrenching HIS career.  Its not such a natural thing for everyone.  Having grown up with woodworking tools, I have the coordination to make accurate cuts etc., etc.  yet wrenching is an acquired taste for me.  It can quickly take me out of my comfort zone. That aside, I think the shop-as service-provider/customer relationship has to be "win-win" or the business won't make it.  I'm afraid you filled in a lot of blanks for me in this saga.  You might feel a lot different if you knew these 2 60'ish brothers.  They are not slick.  They have empathy.  I can feel it.  Trust what you feel!  I have a similar relationship with my diesel truck mechanic.  You don't think people respond to that sense of appreciation?
  Skepticism is a healthy thing, I agree. Ultimately, in my world view, we're all in this together and its how we feel about ourselves that matters.  As humans, naturally, we crave certainty.   When I think about it, I believe the front half of reality is operating under some premises that we feel works for us.  The other half is a mystery and a paradox.  Otherwise, why bother strapping Buddha to the handlebars? 

I mainly posted my saga to curry a little sympathy for missing a day out of my life without the ride I was planning on.  Well, today would have been too cold to ride.  Got a call from the dealer late this afternoon saying the bike was ready to pick up whenever I wanted.  Weather is good for tomorrow so I'm having my son drive me the 50 minutes to get there so I can ride it home!  So, I will only have missed ONE day (riding.  20 minutes after the "cold shower", I moved on to something productive...sort of "money in the bank" consolation)   I know you are looking out for me on the leaky clutch rod seal and clutch plates, Ocelot. I never put the bike in gear, so I hope I'll be alright on that score.  And, yes I'm going to take a loop around the dealer for a 20 miles or so before heading home.   Just in case....
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previously owned:
'70 R75/5 Black Beauty
'80 Suzuki 850 (fostered for a friend living in NYC)
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 07:18:56 AM »
The interesting thing about human affairs is how diametrically opposite views are often equally true in the same time and place.
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 08:40:14 AM »
 
I mainly posted my saga to curry a little sympathy for missing a day out of my life without the ride I was planning on.  Well, today would have been too cold to ride.  Got a call from the dealer late this afternoon saying the bike was ready to pick up whenever I wanted.  Weather is good for tomorrow so I'm having my son drive me the 50 minutes to get there so I can ride it home!  So, I will only have missed ONE day (riding.  20 minutes after the "cold shower", I moved on to something productive...sort of "money in the bank" consolation)   I know you are looking out for me on the leaky clutch rod seal and clutch plates, Ocelot. I never put the bike in gear, so I hope I'll be alright on that score.  And, yes I'm going to take a loop around the dealer for a 20 miles or so before heading home.   Just in case....
Out of curiosity, did the dealer charge you "real money" for his mistake ?

Takes a BIGGER man to admit fault, BTDT. Things can go awry that are totally beyond your control.

I can understand the "support your local dealer" philosophy, as long as I'm NOT getting ripped off.

Ha, my FLD acronym for (finest local dealer) cringes when I amble into the storefront. Ron was billed $140.00 at the FLD to have his ABS brakes R&R with new fluid. Absolutely ridiculous price tag, considering it's a 10 minute deal from start to finish. Ha, bill was reduced to $38.00 after some personal "small talk" with the owner & ahole service manager. 

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Having a certified BMW master tech who has actually been to BMW school diagnosing your machine is one thing. A kid "replacing parts" because he likes to ride is another. FWIW, most of the modern day techs are clueless about older K bikes. They have to read up on the procedures in the manual just like a newbie. Only advantage is the specialized BMW tools that are available in a pro setting.

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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 05:17:01 PM »
 :2thumbup: Just picked up the bike.  No charge, apologies from the owner and all goo with the bike!   So nice to get the ride fix.  Was going to go farther but after an hour ride in 40 deg., I remembered it was early February and pointed 'er home. 
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'80 Suzuki 850 (fostered for a friend living in NYC)
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 08:45:23 PM »
Good to hear the bike is back on the road.  I know what you mean about the ride fix.  I did my hour commute to work (western CT) on the bike today.  The morning ride in, at 26F, was a little cool on the fingertips.  But the afternoon ride home in 45F temps made it worthwhile.  K75RT likes the cold weather.
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Re: A sad day here in the hills of W. Mass
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 05:09:26 PM »
So I guess we both had the shit eatin', bike ride grin on our faces yesterday... :yes
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previously owned:
'70 R75/5 Black Beauty
'80 Suzuki 850 (fostered for a friend living in NYC)
back riding again after 35 years and loving every minute!

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