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Offline butizzle

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Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« on: October 11, 2019, 05:48:39 PM »
Hi everyone,
I just registered to share my story - I've been on a bit of an odyssey the last two days trying to figure out why my K100 wouldn't start anymore after standing for a bit in some heavy rain.
I started by checking for fuel and spark (all plugs were wet so no issues there). I tried unhooking the water temp sensor, which led to some backfiring and actually let me start the bike for a little while after plugging it back in - there was a lot of smoke and it didn't want to run well at all.
I measured the other sensors, but everything checked out. At this point, I had a look at the oil sight glass and noticed the oil had water in it - it looked like a milkshake! Normally, this would point towards a bad water pump seal (în the case of K bikes) or a bad headgasket (on any other engine) - but the coolant was squeaky clean and the headgasket was good before I let it stand, so I figured it wouldn't have dissolved magically. And I just knew it had to be connected to the rain, because everything was running great when I last parked it.
The oil also didn't smell/taste of coolant at all, so I thought it had somehow caught some rain through some hole I didn't know about. I followed some other bad leads before I had a look in the tank - of course it was a mess in there, a completely opaque mixture of gas and water, sorta looked like lemon juice. I siphoned the ~3 gallons of junk off - here's the bottles with the most water in the bottom:

That's probably almost a liter of water that was in the tank - no wonder it was barely running!

After drying and refilling the tank, the bike already ran a lot better but still wouldn't idle - there was probably some water left in the fuel filter; the oil is also slightly cloudy again. Waiting for about half an hour magically cleared that up and now everything is back to normal (except for the oil, which looks nasty and I'm all out...)

I guess the water in the fuel must have made its way past the piston rings (not like these bikes are known for a hermetic seal there...) and into the oil. I've never heard of this happening before but it makes sense when I think about it. In any case, I'm always gonna cover or garage the bike from now on!
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Offline Martin

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Re: Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2019, 06:03:41 PM »
Check the orientation of the fuel filler cap the hinge should be to the rear. If fitted the other way around the drain hole is covered allowing water to get into the tank. also check the seals on the cap.
Regards Martin.
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Offline butizzle

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Re: Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2019, 06:08:59 PM »
Oh wow - it is indeed mounted the wrong way around! We must have gotten it wrong when we brazed the tank - this isn't this bike's first encounter with water in the tank; it was sitting for 8 years at one point and a bit of water in the tank corroded a nice big hole straight through the aluminium.
Thanks for the heads-up!

Best wishes,
Georg
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Offline Martin

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Re: Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2019, 06:17:04 PM »
The corrosion is caused by the water and ethanol mixing in the bottom of the tank. A bacteria forms and breeds in this mix, and literally  pee's out acid which eventually corrodes the tank. Never leave ethanol laced fuels in your tank for long periods. Or don't run ethanol laced fuels.
Regards Martin.
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Offline butizzle

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Re: Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2019, 06:24:05 PM »
Hi Martin
Interesting - I'm not sure if we had ethanol mixed fuels here in Switzerland 8 years ago (frankly I'm not sure if we have them even now), but in any case for the next "extended downtime" (which will hopefully not happen anytime soon) the tank will be bone dry!
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Offline daveson

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Re: Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2019, 08:19:37 PM »
The water has possibly swollen the fuel filter,  making it hard for the fuel to flow through, maybe put a new fuel filter in as well.
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Offline Soggz

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Re: Water in Tank - Wild Goose Chase
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2019, 03:22:49 AM »
Best not to ‘taste’ your oil, either.
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