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Offline bizzaro

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Question for Fork Wizards
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:31:51 PM »
1994 K1100LT
I just rebuilt my forks.  I am sure they are together correctly.  I have the proper amount of fork oil, 400 ml, for each fork on a rebuild.  Before reinstalling them I worked them by hand to see what they felt like. They feel like they are free springing. The right fork returns with a bit of resistance like the damper is working. But not much. And no matter how hard I push the left fork, I don't feel any fluid working on the push or the return dampening the travel.  All spring. I am concerned something is up. And before I get them mounted in the bike, I would like to get it right!?  I am hoping the answer is I don't weight enough to make the shock part of the fork work? Any ideas, answers, suggestions welcome.  I hope to be driving tomorrow.   :dunno
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Re: Fork Wizards
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 01:15:35 PM »
I just rebuilt my forks.  I am sure they are together correctly. Any ideas, answers, suggestions welcome. And what is up with the font size?
If you're sure, you're sure. Mount the fork legs into the braces and move on.

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Re: Fork Wizards
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 01:18:06 PM »
greetings...

one side is + dampening one side is all spring... you know which is which...

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Re: Fork Wizards
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 01:27:11 PM »
Thanks guys. I feel better if nothing else. Guess I will move on till the next fork oil change. Unless my ride feels obviously wrong and there is no dampening! And they sure looked the same inside. I did not compare orifices or anything, but same construction. Which ask's why when it is just an oil change one side takes 350 ml and the other 400ml?
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Re: Fork Wizards
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 06:01:13 PM »
there is no dampening! .............Which aske's why when it is just a oill change one side takes 350 ml and the other 400ml?

The cartridge on the RHS have a drain hole in the bottom, that's why there isn't any damping
....and on the LHS (which have no drain hole) it stays 50 ml oil inside the cartridge when draining the fork.

If you want to get rid of the last 50 ml, turn the bike or the fork upside down...whatever you find most easy.
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Re:Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 08:34:48 PM »
Thanks Inge.  Now I wish I would have inspected those dampers closer.  And I wrote incorrectly.  It is the right side that has slight dampening by body pressing the fork.  It is the left fork (clutch side) that feels totally just spring and no dampening. But both sides have dampers in them??? 
It would be great to get an explanation on this? Anyone?

And if I flip the bike over to drain the last 50ml out, the forks will be upside down, right?? :popcorm
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Re: Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2018, 09:07:21 PM »
greetings...

swing your forks like this...


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Re: Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2018, 09:31:48 PM »
I would guess that the stanchions have been interchanged when renewing the seals at some earlier moment.
Which shouldn't make any difference at all, as long you have it in mind when changing the oil.

Or Johnny have rotated them in the wrong direction......... :neener:
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Re: Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 09:42:27 PM »
But only one side functions as a damper? That is hard for me to believe!
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Re: Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2018, 10:35:34 PM »
But only one side functions as a dampener? That is hard for me to believe!


It's similar with K 75/100 models which have the Fichtel & Sachs sport fork, damping only on one side.
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Re: Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2018, 11:29:47 PM »
But the hardware is in both? So the fork with the dampening is the one that takes the lesser ml's on a fluid only change?  Right?  Then, like you said, someone switched the stanchions. It is my right fork that has the dampener working!  I am glad you mentioned that.  The book has it the other way around for oil quantity. The left leg taking the lesser 350ml.


When I first got the bike I hired out a fork seal change.  I am betting that is where it happened. When I picked up the bike he was pretty vague about the quantities of fork oil when I inquired to try and be sure he had gotten it right. He also used Swelray(Belray)15W which I thought was way to heavy. And who knows what quantity.  The ride was real stiff and harsh.  I quickly switched it out for Honda SS8 10W. Much better.  And I have never been back to that shop for anything since.........thanks to motobrick!  :2thumbup:
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Re: Question for Fork Wizards
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2018, 06:32:09 AM »
But only one side functions as a dampener? That is hard for me to believe!
Dampening is what you do to a washcloth. :giggles

If you want to sort this, Bizz, it'll be easy if you emptied both fork legs thoroughly and filled them both with 400ml of fluid. Drain the fluid from the fork legs using the drain holes in the sides of the fixed tubes. The side that has the least fluid is the side without the drain holes in the cartridge. After that, you can refill with the correct replacement amount.

In their current state, your ride won't be affected but if you want to replace oil without total disassembly or flipping the bike wheels-up with a chainfall assembly (post photos if you do), you'll know which leg gets less oil and won't be overfilling.

BMW workshop manuals are created for factory-trained technicians. Their diagrams tend to be more specific than Clymer or Haynes. Their text is less specific because factory training fills the spaces. Clymer and Haynes tend to have more descriptive text because their readers benefit from that. I use all of them when engaged in an unfamiliar procedure.

Here is the diagram from the BMW manual. The Clymer manual doesn't have this diagram although it has used many of BMW's others. It shows how one cartridge in the K1100 fork assembly differs from the other.

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