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Title: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: WHITE91K100RS on May 04, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
Hey all, hoping someone here can point me in the right direction...


1991 K100RS 4v - Just completed spline lube and failed u-joint replacement (pictures here http://imgur.com/a/F61eT (http://imgur.com/a/F61eT))


Quick history - After completing spline lube, I decided I would also bleed the rear brakes to get some fresh juice before getting back on the road. During the process, I blew a 25yr old brake hose, so I replaced rear brake hoses with Spengler stainless steel. Also rebuilt the rear master cylinder with brand new cylinder/spring/orings from BMW since it was leaky and tired looking. After all this was complete - I noticed that my rear brake light was stuck in the on, braking, position.

In an attempt to trouble shoot I unplugged the rear brake wire and brake light remained lit/engaged.
Hit the front brake with rear brake wire unplugged and brake light unchanged.


Then I unplugged the front brake wire and brake light remained lit/engaged.
Hit the rear brake with front brake wire unplugged and brake light goes OFF.
Release rear brake with front unplugged and brake light goes back ON.


I read a few posts here about brake light sticking and tried a few of the common solutions (cleaned grounds, reinstalled RMC) and still nothing. Any ideas where the ass backwards brake lighting issue might be coming from? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: WHITE91K100RS on May 04, 2017, 02:25:51 PM
I thought the same thing - pulled the right side foot peg plate off, removed brake switch and cleaned it a bit. No pinched wires found
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: WHITE91K100RS on May 04, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
Light at the tail end of the bike that is responsible for letting other people know I'm stopping

PS, what does removal and reinstallation of swingarm have anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: Laitch on May 04, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
In an attempt to trouble shoot I unplugged the rear brake wire and brake light remained lit/engaged.
You might have a switch stuck on or wires crossed. You'll need to check wiring from the tail and brake light sockets right up to both brake switches. Use your multimeter. Clean your switches with electronic cleaner. It could be coincidence but you probably crossed up something during disassembly and assembly.
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on May 04, 2017, 05:30:31 PM
What happens when you unplug the bulb monitoring unit which is in the relay box? 

BTW, your u-joint failure was probably caused by someone installing the driveshaft with the u-joints out of phase.  Did you make sure the phasing was correct when you put everything back together?  It's important to get it right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K1Sm2xfAyw
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: kioolt on May 04, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
Don't k100RS's have only one u-joint?
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: WHITE91K100RS on May 04, 2017, 05:57:10 PM


Unplugged bulb monitor relay and both brake lights go out
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: WHITE91K100RS on May 05, 2017, 06:17:19 AM
I also swapped bulb monitor relay out of a friend's kbike and same issue... so nothing wrong with bulb monitor relay


And hey - thanks for mentioning shaft phasing! No, I dont believe I phased properly so im going to have to dig back into the final drive so I can pull the drive shaft out and ensure phased properly. Thank you!!
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: Laitch on May 05, 2017, 06:38:29 AM
Don't k100RS's have only one u-joint?
The '90–'92 models have paralever suspensions so they have that drive shaft arrangement.
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: WHITE91K100RS on May 06, 2017, 08:31:52 AM
Problem solved - I dug into the switch in the front brake lever and found a rolled up piece of electrical tape previous owner wedged inbetween switch and contact because wasnt making full 'click' when squeezed. Fixed it proper and works find now.
Title: Re: Brake Lights Stuck On - K100RS
Post by: Laitch on May 06, 2017, 08:59:01 AM
Fixed it proper and works find now.
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