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TECHNICAL MOTOBRICK WRENCHING In Remembrance of Inge K. => The Motobrick Workshop => Topic started by: johnny on September 23, 2013, 08:08:08 PM
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Mahle OC-91 (@ Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0068O1CF4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0068O1CF4&linkCode=as2&tag=cinematographyco&linkId=PQBRQZARHJDCTARF)) is apparently the BMW OEM filter, sans logo.
Bosch 3330 and 72161 are the same filter, 3330 in mfg'd by Purolator in the US, under the Bosch brand. $3.50 a pop for either from rockauto (http://www.rockauto.com).
From the list at IBMWR.org, with a few annotations from me (wmax351).
Six oil filter manufacturers for K oil filter
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:01:50 -0700
From: Roy Truelsen <royster@worldnet.att.net>
As info, the pressure relief valve on the BMW oil filter is rated at 9-11 psi, same as the Fram 6063. The Fram 3614 is rated at 9-12 psi.
Other alternative filters for the K-bike include:
Amsoil ASF-57
AC Delco PF-53
Hastings 157A, LF157
Motorcraft FL-271, FL-793
Purolator FCO-201, PER-241
Wix 51348, 51785
Roy Truelsen
Portland, Oregon
Sseven oil filter manufacturers for K100 spark plug and oil filter
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:08:24 -0500
From: Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins@kc.net>
Gathering together information to service my '85 K100, I found some details that didn't seem to be on the current parts list:
Oil Filter:
There was a lot of discussion on this ca '95-'96, with the engineering specs for the FRAM coming out as good or better than the BMW filter. Someone else pointed out that BMW does not manufacture their filters, but outsources.
Per Joe Senner:
• AMSOIL: ASF-57
• AC DELCO: PF-53
• FRAM: PH-3614, PH6063
• Hastings: 157A, LF157
• Motorcraft: FL-271, FL-793
• Purolator: FCO-201, PER-241
• Wix: 51348, 51785
Others including Rob Lentini have documented the Fram 3614, and I've used it; it's the only one I've tried.
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Beemerboneyard sells a Mahle air filter which they say is the same as OEM for around $10 less than BMW's ($33).
edit: And I did a search for the Mahle part # (LX75) and found it on Amazon.com for $5 less than that! Arrived yesterday and it is exactly like the BMW original. With free shipping, I am a very happy biker.
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Mobil-1 M1-102
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Napa gold 1348
or if you would like it without the sticker get the PS1348
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I stopped using Fram 3614 when they started putting the grippy coating on them in the early 90's. It flakes off in the sump. Fram 6063 is uncoated and unpainted, but harder to find and pricier. Been using Delco pf-53's since
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I've used the Quaker State QS3614 oil filter in my K75c for years now with no trouble.
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Mann oil filter supposed to be OEM Part No MW712. Mann fuel filter MWK 44 both available in Australia.
Regards Martin
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I'm looking at that "Bosch 3330" wondering why the hell that rang a bell with me.
It finally clicked.
It's what almost all Toyota's 4cyl run. I quit using them (Bosch) because the anti drain back is not good and on a toyota that leads to a lot of start up rattle and timing chain noise since it uses oil pressure on the 22r motors to tension the timing chain. Went back to the toyota filters.
No stickers on them to scrape off.
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anti drain back valve would not be a problem in a K. Unless the bike is upside down, then you probably have bigger problems.
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I cringe when I hear of people using Fram filters. I was a member of a fluid power engineering society back in the 80's and they did a report on filters for hydrauic and engine oil. Fram was far and away the worst filter they tested out of about 40 or 50 brands. Very inconsistant pressure relief action and poor filtration. I admit, it was a long time ago, but I haven't heard anything in the meantime to indicate they are building better filters, and with so many alternatives I figure why take a chance.
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anti drain back valve would not be a problem in a K. Unless the bike is upside down, then you probably have bigger problems.
Probably right with them being in the sumo and so low in the motor. On most toyota 4cyl they are halfway up the block and on their side. I'll be changing oil in the next couple days. I'll get some side by side shots.
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Interesting video on Fram filters. The comment section is educational as to the reports of cardboard from the filter clogging oil galleries and blocking oil flow, destroying engines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imq39p0_YTA
Also, from the comments, K&N aren't all that good either. One comment mentions them being banned by race sanctioning bodies because they fail and dump oil on the track surface.
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Early in my career I used to be a spare parts manager for a overseas car manufacturer. We had two sources for parts the passenger car division and the commercial division. and a couple of the filters were interchangeable. The commercial filters were vastly superior in construction, better in everyway. The passenger filters were local, and made filters for most brand vehicles at the time and I wouldn't use them in anything. We would stock both filters, if you were nice we sold you the commercial filter if you were not you got the passenger filter. :neener: Also at the time we had a customer who had a small auto supply place and the he got hold of a batch of Israeli air cleaner and oil filters really cheap. While the oil filters never caused any problems ( that we know of) he had a large problem with the air cleaner elements. A guy I new bought one a proceeded to drive it with no problems until it rained. The element turned to mush and proceeded to be sucked into the engine destroying the engine. The shop owner stopped using all the elements and oil filters and he recalled as many as he could, I don't know how many claims he had against him. And some of the air cleaner elements survived as he had customers requesting them, they probably didn't drive in the rain. :hehehe
Regards Martin.
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Mahle LX75 air filter
Rockauto $22.79
sorry, this was supposed to be in the air filter thread
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Advance Auto has a Motorcraft FL-910S they show as compatible with AC Delco PF-53.
Also a link for that with many options is http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/AC-Delco/PF53
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Purolator L10241, and Motorcraft FL-910S are also compatible oil filters. In the US, you can get both at Advance Auto.
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Interesting video on Fram filters. The comment section is educational as to the reports of cardboard from the filter clogging oil galleries and blocking oil flow, destroying engines.
Also, from the comments, K&N aren't all that good either. One comment mentions them being banned by race sanctioning bodies because they fail and dump oil on the track surface.
In the '80s I found an oil spot underneath my truck after changing oil and found the source to be the filter. After tightening it it continued and I found that it was coming from the crimp seal. After removing the filter (and a quart of oil) and returning it to the local Checker Auto Parts I was shown a cutaway view of Fram and other filters - I have never purchased another Fram product.
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Carquest 84035 is NOT a recommended oil filter.
Main reason is that it does not have ridges or a nut on the top to be able to tighten down the 3/4 to 1 turn after contact. I ended up using a tool box liner inside my socket style oil filter wrench to get traction. It was hard to tell whether the filter was tightening, or my kludged adapter was slipping.
Also, it's a little shorter (less capacity) than the Autocraft FL-793 I took out.
In the USA, it shows up at Advance Auto, as compatible with an '85 K100RT.
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I cringe when I hear of people using Fram filters.
I've been using Fram oi filters on my 2001 1.8t VW since the factory warranty was over. Changed ever 5k and 200k now with just routine maintenance. And I have K&N air filters on both the K and the Ural, combined about 250,000 miles. What can I say, I like making the Mighty Gryphon cringe and my motors enjoy clogged oil galleries and ingesting small animals.
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I am using the Carquest 85348 which is made by Wix.
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HIFLO 163
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HIFLO 163
On my spare bricks I'm using Cooper WZ418 (interchangeable with Ryco Z418) since I saw them on discount for $7. I'll cut them open after I replace them.
Martin, does your earlier post refer to Ryco, as I've always thought of them as a good brand? I'm wondering in which ways they might be inferior, as I'm thinking of getting them next.
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I have been using the HiFlo HF 163 for many years with no issues. I buy them by the case.
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We cut apart two of the filters and the commercial Japanese filter had a better valve construction and better and more filter material. It is a high possibility that the car type was a Ryco, however that was back in the 80's and they may have improved. The only way to tell is to dissect one, there are definitely filters out there that should be avoided. I have always used either Mahle or Mann filters but that's a personnel choice.
Regards Martin.
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Thanks. I used a generic, no name, Chinese filter once, seemed OK until I opened it up after 10,000km, the filter had three holes in it. That was the last time I used an unknown brand name.
I've opened up a few Ryco's, will attach photos later.
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Three Ryco oil filters (from three different cars)
Top; after 20,000km (12,000 miles) in a conventional set up. Nothing unusual here.
Middle; after 40,000km (24,000 miles) in a car on gas (LPG) and with a bypass oil filter. I normally changed the OEM oil filter and oil at 50,000km intervals. There's stuff all carbon when you're running on gas. I'm sure you don't have to change the oil or filter this often, with this set up, and the oil never looked black on the dip stick, just stayed yellow.
Bottom; from a Ford Falcon on LPG after about 10 years and 300,000km (180,000 miles) This one changed my opinion of Ryco filters from good, to bloody good.
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On a roll, opened two used brick filters today. Mahle filter element definitely felt stronger. Strange bypass valve on BMW filter, open both ends. Filter removal tool loose fit on Cooper brand, but hasn't been a problem yet.
Third photo didn't work, showed end view with nine holes in Cooper instead of six (big deal) and anti drain back valve in Cooper (big deal)
Mahle filter element 2196mm long, 55mm wide, 0.8mm thick (~86 1/2" by 2 1/8")
BMW filter element 1962mm long, 70mm wide, 0.8mm thick (~77 1/4" by 2 3/4")
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For the K1100LT, the Purolator Boss PBL10241 is a direct cross reference, is built like a rock, and installs great.
It even perfectly fits the Hazet oil filter wrench.