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Title: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 24, 2022, 05:27:07 PM
Hi again, i would like to change the external fuel pipes, and replace the cranckcase breather hose.
All this stuff is easier without the Top airbox part, but the big air tube coming from the front is "welded to the plastic", if i apply force, i'll breack it, for sure.....any tip on removal?
i guess it's impossible the change the fuel regulator hose without removing the airbox right?

This part of the design, doesn't brings an easy going manipulation....

Any tip?
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: rbm on January 24, 2022, 05:43:58 PM
You don't have to remove the air box to do those maintenance items.  The clamps around the crank case breather hose are accessible from the left side of the engine. As for the fuel pipe, to get at the pipes behind the throttle bodies, you'll have to remove the air filter box and the 90° pipe that joins the MAF to the air accumulator.  Simply remove the air filter, undo the clamp holding the 90° pipe and remove the top portion of the air filter box. Then remove the two screws holding the lower part of the box to the engine.  To get at the clamp for the MAF, it should be accessible from the top of the bike after you remove the tank.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 11:59:45 AM
Hi RBM, thanks for your answer.
I've the tank removed, the 90 degrees pipe, doesn't want to be free.
I need to apply force and i'm affraid to breack it....anyway, i can buy a replacement and continue with the fuel hoses as you describe...
txs!
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: Laitch on January 25, 2022, 12:44:24 PM
You haven't indicated that you have loosened the clamp on that elbow, fabian. If you have loosened it, heat the joint slightly with a hair dryer, spray some lubricant on the joint, tap the elbow with a mallet, make an espresso and enjoy it then wiggle the whole assembly until it detaches, along with the top if necessary.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 01:02:08 PM
Jajaja, hi Laitch, I’ll follow your suggestions, even the expresso one.
I keep posting txs
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: daveson on January 25, 2022, 03:10:00 PM
The 90 degree pipe, one end doesn't want to break free, loosen the other end, it will come free easily.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 03:27:55 PM
Hi Daveson, it was a lot easier!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Oh-my-god

Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 03:44:16 PM
I offered this kit to my wife a year ago.
I never thought I was so useful.
I’m doing archeologhie!!!

Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 03:45:32 PM
Perfect!
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: daveson on January 25, 2022, 03:56:36 PM
I spin the hose clamp around, then you don't have to remove the fuel tank to remove the air box.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 03:58:28 PM
Daveson, no problem, my bike is dismantled cause I painted it (well I send it to be painted) so no problem!
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on January 25, 2022, 04:11:56 PM
Plant some tomatoes for a snack on long rides.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 04:14:14 PM
Jajajajajajaj
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: frankenduck on January 25, 2022, 06:03:44 PM
Usually when you get the top of the airbox off you can just pull on it and it will disconnect the big 90 hose from the plenum above the throttle bodies.

When you put the air filter back in if you put some Armor All in the groves around the perimeter on the top and bottom of it then it will slide in more easily.

Proper air filter installation:

(https://i.imgur.com/173nx1r.jpg)


You've already got the air filter off but for future reference the easiest way to get the air filter out is to apply some leverage to lift up
the rear of it.

(https://i.imgur.com/H1utjOS.jpg)



Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: frankenduck on January 25, 2022, 06:06:38 PM
A shop vac (or even a regular vacuum with a hose) is a good way to clean the dirt off the top of the engine.  Easier than using a dollhouse shovel. :laughing4-giggles:
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 25, 2022, 08:43:40 PM
jajajja, it was fun.
i used the little shovel with patiente and i fill half oil filter case with dirt. A lot
Then i use a vacuum, and paper towels, and little brush to arrive to something "close "to ok, along with a degreaser.

Tomorrow new fuel lines, and vacuum one, along with a stronger degreaser , withgout touching any rubber.
The Pressure regulator has a bit of old ( 6 years) fuel, wtf, how it smells, ugly!
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on January 25, 2022, 09:31:18 PM
Ah, no tomatoes for you.  Your engine is beginning to look pretty good.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: frankenduck on January 25, 2022, 10:25:21 PM
While you're in there I recommend hitting the rad hose with some 303 protectant to help it last longer.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 05:21:36 AM
Txs Franckenduck, good idea, will do!
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 10:18:44 AM
Looking for a solution to make a 90 degrees in a fuel line ( the one that goes from the regulator to the fuel tank), I read the spring tip.
If you insert a spring inside the line, yo can even go far more than 90 degrees maintaining the diameter.
I went to “la casa del resorte” ( house of spring).
They didn’t have the exact one to fit into the 13x8 fuel line, and the guy propose to me to build one in stainless steel. He build an exact one in 30 min.
I like this things.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: Laitch on January 26, 2022, 11:48:38 AM
Looking for a solution to make a 90 degrees in a fuel line ( the one that goes from the regulator to the fuel tank), I read the spring tip.
Usually the spring is placed on the outside so flow rate and pressure aren't affected like these (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=unicoil+hose+bender&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8). I'd be wary of your method.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Hi Laitch, i'm with you on that, nice solution if you have a little space arround, but i was thinking that the diameter of the spring ( the interior) is the same that the ouptut plug on pressure regulator, so, my thinking was, is as the pressure regulator was 5 cm longer...so i accepted this method...
I've seen a vid that use this method for injectors, so i thought that for return, is less problematic...
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5UlPNvu_qM
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5UlPNvu_qM)

But you are right anyway.

As my line is not original, so not bended, i find this solution a compromise.

Thanks for your opinion!

Now, i'm fighting with the big water hose, the one that passes into the engine......
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: alabrew on January 26, 2022, 12:49:54 PM
I'm sure I will be corrected with many horror stories, but in 30+ yrs ridin', wrenchin', readin' about these bikes, and having owned a "few", I am having difficulty recalling ANY coolant hose failures. Purdy sure those on the '85 Big Red are original.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: frankenduck on January 26, 2022, 01:34:11 PM
I'm sure I will be corrected with many horror stories, but in 30+ yrs ridin', wrenchin', readin' about these bikes, and having owned a "few", I am having difficulty recalling ANY coolant hose failures. Purdy sure those on the '85 Big Red are original.

I have one. I did a 50K complete service on my 94 K1100RS at my dad's place in SoCal. Instead of using the drain plug to drain the coolant I disconnected the big hose that goes into the water pump. A few hundred miles later after filling up in Carmel on my way home up the coast I noticed a big puddle of coolant under the bike. There was a hole in the coolant hose down near where it enters the water pump. Being a BMW part, it had conveniently decided to fail on a Monday - when the dealers are closed. It's a long sordid tale involving a ghetto repair in a vacant Santa Cruz parking lot but I did manage to "limp" the bike to  a friend's place in Sacramento without overheating the motor. He lived near A&S who luckily had the hose in stock when they opened on Tuesday morning. Ever since then I always carry a roll of Rescue Tape when I ride.  And I also drain from the bottom of water pump, not the hose.

But that one instance is the only coolant hose failure I've ever had owning many K bikes over hundreds of thousands of miles so I agree with your assessment that K coolant hoses are, for the most part, highly resistant to failure.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on January 26, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
K bike coolant hoses are nearly immortal.  I was the victim of a vehicular assault that totaled my K100RS that had 128,000 miles as well as the KIA sedan that attacked me.  Despite twisting the frame like a pretzel and pulverizing every piece of bodywork the coolant hoses were all usable when I put the engine in another frame and worked for another year and 10,000 miles until I sold the bike.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: Laitch on January 26, 2022, 02:03:51 PM
Hi Laitch, i'm with you on that, nice solution if you have a little space arround, but i was thinking that the diameter of the spring ( the interior) is the same that the ouptut plug on pressure regulator, so, my thinking was, is as the pressure regulator was 5 cm longer...so i accepted this method...
I've seen a vid that use this method for injectors, so i thought that for return, is less problematic...
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5UlPNvu_qM
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5UlPNvu_qM)

But you are right anyway.

As my line is not original, so not bended, i find this solution a compromise.

Thanks for your opinion!

Now, i'm fighting with the big water hose, the one that passes into the engine......
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: Laitch on January 26, 2022, 02:08:19 PM
As my line is not original, so not bended, i find this solution a compromise.

Now, i'm fighting with the big water hose, the one that passes into the engine......
Let us know how it works on the return side. Mr. Injector was working of the pressure side.

Regarding the radiator hose, warm it up with the hair dryer, fold it lengthwise and slip it through the hole in the crankcase cover.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 02:27:49 PM
jajaj, Mr Injector is in a more difficult side cause as you said is in the pressure zone!
thanks for the tip , i'll try.
I remember last time, with the same hose in 2009, i was perspiring like an attached pig.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: frankenduck on January 26, 2022, 02:36:10 PM
Now, i'm fighting with the big water hose, the one that passes into the engine......

(https://i.imgur.com/JZUIw1Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: Laitch on January 26, 2022, 02:37:28 PM
I was the victim of a vehicular assault that totaled my K100RS that had 128,000 miles as well as the KIA sedan that attacked me. 
Your relatively intact survival from the encounter was astonishing.  A photo of that wreckage should be posted here under the title, The Case Against Slowing Down.  :laughing4-giggles:
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 02:50:17 PM
Done!!!! 
Great, great idea. I even bring soap to apply and it was not necessary.
Thanks!
I am even able to go to a ball without taking a shower. Dry.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on January 26, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
Your relatively intact survival from the encounter was astonishing.  A photo of that wreckage should be posted here under the title, The Case Against Slowing Down.  :laughing4-giggles:


* at the yard (2).jpg (83.17 kB . 446x321 - viewed 323 times)

This is what old Moby Brick looked like after the larger bits were collected.  The debris field was about 75 feet long and 40 feet wide.


* In the median.jpg (43.83 kB . 432x576 - viewed 390 times)

White car in the distance is the attacker.  You can't see the 1 foot deep indent in the front.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
Oh Mighty, your story is a very good one, but the picture, my god.
You were injured as the bike?
I hope not!

But an applause to your water lines!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on January 26, 2022, 03:11:44 PM
I was able, somehow, to walk(actually limp) away.  Lots of sprains but no broken bones.  Still have stiff neck and sore shoulder after 3 years.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 03:59:57 PM
I was able, somehow, to walk(actually limp) away.  Lots of sprains but no broken bones.  Still have stiff neck and sore shoulder after 3 years.

despite everything, a lucky man.
So, the hoses and you survived.
Title: Re: Air box removal, F%&$"?
Post by: foliver on January 26, 2022, 04:06:33 PM
And I also drain from the bottom of water pump, not the hose.

What a surprise, it's a pain in the ass to loose water, and for that cause, 1 in 3.000.000

The hoses that were my the bike when i bought it in 2009, were ok, but one has a little crack, and i change all of it.
Waiting for the original parts, i've found here, the same hoses, with the sames shapes....amazing.
So i used the ones i bought here, until today, that they were ok, but i'm dismantling all the stuff, so i decided to install the original ones.
I guess if i don't have an accident, they will last for ever ( for ever me, ja! )