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Title: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 09, 2020, 01:25:04 PM
I recently purchased an 03 K1200GT (about a month ago), just finishing up some maintenance on it. When I was at the dealer picking it up (they do not sell BMW's, mostly Jap stuff, just had mine used), he asked if I would be interested in another bike. So we went and looked at it. Needs a fuel pump and front brake work at a minimum, I will be doing all the maintenance on it and get it started. A customer's bike that is now too old to ride, and the family was getting it ready to sell, but it's too expensive for the dealer to repair for them.

I told them that I would buy it, but it took a while for everything to fall into place. Going to pick it up Saturday. Will use it as a Corona virus garage project to keep my sanity. I have loved working on my GT in the past few weeks.

I will let you know if I get it on Saturday, been reading this forum for the past month, SO MUCH information here. Pictures of bike, has 39K miles:

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/k11001.jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/k11002.jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/k11003.jpg)

If you are interested in seeing my maintenance work on my K1200 here is the link.

https://www.k-bikes.com/forums/42-k1200rs-gt-classic/47565-did-first-time-maintenance-yesterday.html
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: johnny on April 09, 2020, 01:57:16 PM
greetings paul_waterloo...

 :welcome

j o
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 11, 2020, 08:20:54 PM
So I picked it up today. I paid $500 + the previous owner's $150 bill at the service center where they had it. $650. It's pretty nice, I actually love the bike but hope I don't have to put too much money in it. It has some cheap battery that requires replacement (it's only a year old and completely dead) and I know it needs a fuel pump and front brake work.

I will post a bunch of pictures of the journey. I am looking forward to getting it up and running and riding it, love the seating position on it, plus love the size.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: AtLarge on April 11, 2020, 08:26:50 PM
Congrats.  You certainly started out at a decent price.  Everything you do yourself is money back in your pocket.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Scott_ on April 12, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
Sounds like a steal at that price... It's worth more than that in just parts.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 12, 2020, 07:07:38 PM
So had to drive down to Peoria from Chicago, met the previous owner's daughter and got the bike.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (1).jpg)

After getting home, I gave her a quick bath. I have no idea how the dust got on this bike. I don't think it was stored outside, but OMG, the dust under all the components is crazy. It's everywhere. The paint is in pretty darn good shape and I'll be able to clean everything up really nicely.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (4).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (5).jpg)

I was hoping to find $$$$ in the bags, but was nicely surprised to find these bags:

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (2).jpg)

I could not get the rear case to open, can somebody tell me how to get the darn latch open, thanks!

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (3).jpg)

Today I took all the bodywork off. It's pretty much all there.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (7).jpg)

There are some creatures that have been having a nice "snuggle in place" on top of the engine over the years.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (8).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (9).jpg)

I drained the oil, changed the filter and filled her back up.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (10).jpg)

I then went and drained the fuel tank (I think the dealer added quite a bit of gas during troubleshooting), and WOW, the plastic and hoses inside were TRASHED! Need a new fuel pump, whole assembly, hoses and I want to replace the fuel tank level sensor. Maybe somebody has some used components they want to get rid of?

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (11).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (12).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (13).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (14).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (15).jpg)

Will be nice to totally clean all these parts and you can see my K1200GT. I am enjoying myself.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (16).jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 12, 2020, 07:09:05 PM
What do you guys think of aftermaket fuel pump assemblies. I found this one on ebay. Probably a very standard question and I didn't search.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Complete-43mm-Fuel-Pump-Kit-BMW-K1-K75-K1100-from-01-93-16141341231-FPK-231K/254244694898
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Martin on April 12, 2020, 08:09:13 PM
I've been running a Chicom fuel pump since mid 2017 with no problems. I was told it would fail so I used to run with the still good OEM pump in the tail as a backup, but this has now been replaced with a new Chicom backup. Recently did a 1400 Km 3 day run in 40 C plus temperatures which will test any pump and it didn't miss a beat. See here http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,10054.msg86054.html#msg86054
Regards Martin.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: johnny on April 12, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
greetings...

enduralast is a known brand... make sure you know your oem numbers and do your own doo dillergence so you getts the right stuff... some sellers donts knows what fitts what...

id stick with these folks at this point... same seller as your ebay link... they gotts it going on...

www.euromotoelectrics.com

j o
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: milq on April 13, 2020, 05:07:02 AM
I hate you right now Paul....sweet deal!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Scott_ on April 13, 2020, 05:12:13 AM
For the rear trunk, you have to depress the little round button before you can lift the handle the remainder of the way. The function is to permit the removal of the case from the bike and let you carry the case by the handle without the lid flying open on you.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: mw074 on April 13, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
I have various new fuel pump assembly parts as well as good used pumps.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 13, 2020, 10:54:19 AM
I have various new fuel pump assembly parts as well as good used pumps.

I am interested in a fuel tank sending unit, fuel pump plus all the other parts that I need such as the holder as you have posted. I tried sending you a PM, but I don't know if this site has PM's or if I just don't have enough posts to send them. Can you email me nuclearrep at gmail dot com thanks.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: mw074 on April 13, 2020, 11:07:43 AM
Send me an email and I will reply with my phone number or call you if you prefer.  mw074@comcast.net
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: volador on April 14, 2020, 01:58:09 AM
Great find, very rare Orvis limited edition integral case liner bags

Some links for your K journey

Check parts compatibility with BMW MAX Microfiche, BOBS BMW, REAL OEM

https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/PartsFiche.aspx

https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/PartsSearch.aspx

https://parts.maxbmw.com/BMW___BmwMotorradK.html

https://www.bobsbmw.com/store/microfiche/BrowseSeries.aspx

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do?kind=M&arch=1

https://www.ascycles.com/BMW-Motorcycle-Parts-Fiche

Cross reference parts like Bosch pn#'s, etc....  http://partsplusecat.com/
No spaces in the part number

Parts Vendors

https://www.beemerboneyard.com/

https://www.capitalcycle.com/

https://www.euromotoelectrics.com/

https://www.tills.de/

Headlight relay stuff if you chose to add one

https://www.motobrick.com/index.php?topic=268.0

http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,4962.msg30932.html

http://culayer.com/product/matchbox-headlight-relay/

http://easternbeaver.com/Main/Wiring_Kits/H4_Kits/h4_kits.html
 Eastern Beaver site is a great reference for electrical connectors,plugs, etc...

http://www.k100-forum.com/

http://www.kforum-tech.com/Tech-page.html

http://www.kforum-tech.com/electrical/EFI/bike-wont-start-EN.htm

http://www.kforum-tech.com/Downloads/electrical/diagrams/interactive_diagrams.htm

http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/0.ckb.tech.files/k100tshoot/K100.Troubleshoot.Start.2018.pdf

http://kbikeparts.com/index.htm

http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/ckb.new2k.htm

http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/ckb.tech.toc.htm

http://www.eilenberger.net/K75S/IgnitionSwitch/

http://www.verrill.com/moto/moto.shtml

this site has a lot of good info and breakdown pictures in the tech and tech resources sections for K1100 alot of the parts are on K75 & K100

http://www.k11og.org/forum/index.php?sid=2df953dde5715fd9001fbe69edec5ad0

https://ibmwr.org/index.php/k-bike-tech-articles/

This site has all kinds of technical specifications on all the BMW models    http://www.bmbikes.co.uk/mechanicalpages/kseriesmechanical.htm

http://largiader.com

more K-bike info Just bought a 2V (http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,370.0.html)

Just bought a 4V (http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,465.msg960.html#msg960)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 14, 2020, 09:02:46 AM
volador, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 16, 2020, 09:11:02 PM
So after talking to Mike from Michigan earlier this week, he recommended that I go as far as taking the transmission off to inspect and lube the clutch splines. So that's what I've been doing.

First while I have your attention, I will ask my question:

How in the heck do you get the battery carrier out of the frame? It's a jigsaw puzzle that I can't figure out. Because of it's "X" shape, I don't see how it clears the frame. When I pull it off the mounting studs, the front of it is basically wedged under the alternator cover. Please help Calgon man!

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(17).jpg)

Here is the top view, I just don't get how it comes out.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(23).jpg)

Here is the final drive input, it basically had no lube on it, or a very tiny bit, but it great shape.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(18).jpg)

The swing arm side. When I took the boot off, it had about an ounce of oil, I don't really see where it came from, it's been sitting for 10 years, both the final end and the transmission were full, I'm not going to touch anything. Either the seal will seal up or get worse. It's not that hard to get back into.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(19).jpg)

I haven't looked at it closely or the procedure closely, but it will be interesting to see how this boot goes back on.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(20).jpg)

The transmission side had minimal lubricant on it. When I pulled that clutch pin, OMG, it was like a horror movie! Never seen anything that long!

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(21).jpg)

And here she is in all her might in the garage right now. I am having fun! Just scored a used fuel tank sending unit for $85! Buying parts now, the brakes need A LOT of work.

I plan to do the rear end, put it back together after significant cleaning and then I can wheel her into the shed next door and really continue to evaluate how I can do everything required without throwing tons of money at her. I don't want her to be an expensive whore, I like cheap ones!

But I do want to get her running again soon. I would say no more than six weeks.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(22).jpg)



Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Martin on April 16, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
While your at this stage replace the GPI bolts with stainless steel Allen bolts and clean the unit and waterproof it.  I used Plasti Dip which was renewed recently after 20 years with no signs of degradation, there are heaps of other waterproofing agents.  Also fit a grease nipple to the clutch arm.
Regards Martin.
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Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 17, 2020, 07:35:25 AM
Thanks....what does GPI stand for?
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Filmcamera on April 17, 2020, 07:50:41 AM
It stands for Gear Position Indicator
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 18, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
I removed the transmission easily today, but I took the alternator off, was able to easily remove the battery carrier and then I was sliding it out on some studs I had and the transmission vent hit the starter motor. I just removed the starter motor and BOOM, it so easily came off.

I have to remove the pressure plate and inspect the clutch, but then I can clean everything and start reassembly.

I HOPE I REMEMBER HOW TO PUT THIS DARN THING TOGETHER!

 bmp :johnny 112350 :laughing4-giggles: 44271
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Martin on April 18, 2020, 09:38:57 PM
Take piccies and make sure you align all the marks on the clutch assembly. If the marks are absent make your own, but don't remove them when your cleaning. Zippy bags and a marker pen can help separate different bolts and their location.
Regards Martin.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Bon Jon Bovi on April 18, 2020, 11:11:59 PM
Take piccies and make sure you align all the marks on the clutch assembly. If the marks are absent make your own, but don't remove them when your cleaning.Zippy bags and a marker pen can help separate different bolts and their location.
Regards Martin.
Um. Yeah that.  boohoo
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: volador on April 19, 2020, 01:54:28 AM
just a friendly reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K1Sm2xfAyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K1Sm2xfAyw)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 19, 2020, 07:22:23 PM
Thanks for the tips, they are very helpful.

Took the clutch off today, two of the six screw heads stripped, drilled them out. Then it was a super challenge to get the pressure plate off due to the pins being stuck in everything behind it. But I got it. Now I have to either find new screws locally, or I have a package of misc. bolts from eBay coming tomorrow, so I will see if I have any OEM ones in there or buy new.

I took some old head or cam bolts I had laying around and cut the heads off and used them to pull the tranny, oh so easy.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(25).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(26).jpg)

Everything was absolutely pristine in there. Original clutch. I guess you have to inspect it, but darn, wish I had a magic 8 ball and didn't have to take it apart. Oh well.

The friction material measures 0.200" to 0.203", limit it 0.177", it's almost new. I'm not replacing it.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(27).jpg)

I don't have a clutch installation tool, but figured I would use this, a 13 mm socket with a wrap of tape around it and then the clutch push rod, probably add one turn of tape on it also.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(28).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(29).jpg)

I cleaned it up also and I am pretty much ready to start re-assembly, at least on the rear end so I can get it rolling again.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(30).jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 20, 2020, 11:06:30 AM
Does anybody know the part number for this air box hose? I can't seem to locate it on Max BMW's website, mine is old and cracked.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ySsAAOSwfghaoZAH/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: mw074 on April 20, 2020, 11:19:20 AM
 31 1 461 972    HOSE   0.13    1     $48.58
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 20, 2020, 11:29:30 AM
Thanks Mike, I did find an ebay auction for one, I just don't see how it is the same hose (at least in your picture), here is the picture from the auction: don't see how it is going to bend in the two places.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZTQAAOSwwnZdfbT0/s-l1600.jpg)

Here is another picture of how it has to go on.....do you think the hose above will fit?

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/l40AAOSwH1VaoZAA/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: mw074 on April 20, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
 Paul, I do recall that I had a problem matching up the hose for a 1993. I believe that there was a mid-year change for a short run and the dealer kept getting the wrong one. The correct one was much cheaper.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Filmcamera on April 20, 2020, 12:09:52 PM
Actually, I know it is confusing but I think the part you need is this one = if you look in the Max BMW fiche is appears in engine block mounting parts section not the airbox section as you might expect.






10
11 15 1 461 835 VENT HOSE
0.11
$48.39
(https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/NotesParts/11151461835_1_N.jpg)
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The part MW posted is actually a fuel hose I think, if you look at the fuel injection system part if the fiche the same part number appears there as well.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 20, 2020, 12:12:14 PM
Actually, I know it is confusing but I think the part you need is this one = if you look in the Max BMW fiche is appears in engine block mounting parts section not the airbox section as you might expect.






10
11 15 1 461 835 VENT HOSE
0.11
$48.39
(https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/NotesParts/11151461835_1_N.jpg)
[/t][/color]

The part MW posted is actually a fuel hose I think, if you look at the fuel injection system part if the fiche the same part number appears there as well.

You are correct! Put that number in ebay, and came up with the correct hose, thanks!

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JWcAAOSw95FZaNaK/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: mw074 on April 20, 2020, 12:19:14 PM
Good job filmcamera.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Filmcamera on April 20, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
Good job filmcamera.


AMHIW... lol


If anyone needs an unused fuel hose I am your man  :laughing4-giggles:
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 20, 2020, 01:03:04 PM

AMHIW... lol


If anyone needs an unused fuel hose I am your man  :laughing4-giggles:

If you are referring to one of the three fuel hoses, the one that has the bend on it, and you have it for sale, I need it.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Filmcamera on April 20, 2020, 01:11:51 PM
I do actually but since I am in Costa Rica it is not very practical so sell it to you.   I am going to hold on it it I am sure I need it one day.  Sorry I was mainly making a joke about how I knew it was not the Z hose you were looking for...
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 20, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
I thought I would post a few pictures of my new friend and his house. I see I have not introduced him yet.

Here is where he did most of his eating, on top of the engine case.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (34).jpg)

I see he ate in the foyer also.....but inside the house was almost all bedding.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (33).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (32).jpg)

I am sorry to say that he must of passed away from something, he did not look healthy. There was enough bedding to fill about half of a trash can from your bathroom.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100 (31).jpg)

Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: RobP on April 21, 2020, 01:41:58 PM
Quote
I paid $500 + the previous owner's $150 bill at the service center where they had it.

I'm amazed that the service center would have tried to do any work at all and billed the family $150 with all the obvious mouse nest rubbish.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on April 21, 2020, 02:41:42 PM
I'm amazed that the service center would have tried to do any work at all and billed the family $150 with all the obvious mouse nest rubbish.

Storage?
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 21, 2020, 02:47:33 PM
They had two hours into diagnostics. The mouse nest was not obvious to me even when I picked it up. If any repair was authorized, that shop would of been sorry they took on the work. Nothing major, but a complete rebuild of the brakes and fuel system at a minimum. Then they would of figured out the battery was 0.00 VDC when they said it was replaced last year (even when I disconnected it, it came up to 0.245 VDC, how does that even happen unless all cells are shorted?).

It would of went on and on and then they would of found the mouse.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: TommyT on April 22, 2020, 08:09:39 AM
They had two hours into diagnostics. The mouse nest was not obvious to me even when I picked it up. If any repair was authorized, that shop would of been sorry they took on the work. Nothing major, but a complete rebuild of the brakes and fuel system at a minimum. Then they would of figured out the battery was 0.00 VDC when they said it was replaced last year (even when I disconnected it, it came up to 0.245 VDC, how does that even happen unless all cells are shorted?).

It would of went on and on and then they would of found the mouse.
I had the same problem, I picked up a K75 project bike which had sat a long time. After the typical old gas clean up and replacing the injectors I was able to get the bike to fire up but could not get it to run above a idle. I finally started to check the air filter and found what you found. The air box and MAF was so jammed with mouse nesting that vane in the MAF could not move. A lot of cleaning and a new air filter and the bike runs fine now. I should have know better because when towing the bike home in a trailer, I stopped for gas and checked the tie downs on the bike. While doing that I saw a mouse running around the floor of the trailer. I figured it came with the uhaul trailer. Ha I was wrong.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 22, 2020, 08:33:04 AM
LOL! You had a mouse that you displaced! He cursed you when you stopped for gas!

Mine was probably 75% of that! We need a mouse house thread!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: TommyT on April 22, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
LOL! You had a mouse that you displaced! He cursed you when you stopped for gas!

Mine was probably 75% of that! We need a mouse house thread!
Mouse thread, maybe, but at least add it to a check list on what to check when bringing K bike to life after sitting for a long period of time. amazing how the mouse find these areas in bike and cars (my truck had one in the cabin air vent box). I could see a adding a step to Vogel's trouble shooting guide..."if the motor will not increase in RPMs from an idle check for a mouse nest in the air box", ha.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 23, 2020, 11:01:04 AM
So I was able to put the clutch back together and install the transmission. Didn't need no stinkin' clutch alignment tool!

I learned a pretty cool trick from the interwebs this week from a friend regarding how to perfectly align the clutch plate.

First, I had to get some new pressure plate bolts (okay, I believe they are really called screws), and they are M7 x 25mm long. You can't find M7 bolts anywhere. But I finally found some with hex heads at Menards. So I bought them for $0.99 each and pondered for a while if I could use them. I decided to use them. Both the BMW screws and new screws have Grade 8.8 marked on the heads. Then I weighed four of them (two of the BMW screws stripped and had to be drilled out, hence the replacement screws) and the new ones are slightly lighter. Then I considered the geometry for residual imbalance, and figured it's not going to make a hill of beans difference.

The heads of the hex head are a little smaller in diameter, and the torque spec is 17 N-M (12 FT-LB) if I recall. The clutch pressure plate spring really keeps the threads engaged on these screws.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(37).jpg)

Four of the BMW ones are 41 grams, so 10.25 grams each.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(35).jpg)

The new ones are 38 grams, about 9.5 grams each.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(36).jpg)

Used the lube from Beemerboneyard to lube the points as outlined in the manual including the splines.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(38).jpg)

So here is how to align the clutch without a tool.

1. Put everything back up in the correct order and start all pressure plate screws. Then go around around in a cross pattern and tighten them until you can still move the clutch plate, but it stays in place after you move it. It might have to be tight enough so it will only move if you hit it with a rubber mallet.

2. Install the clutch push rod and eyeball the center of the clutch, move it as required. Note that the clutch push rod can really be moved in all different directions, use common sense to make sure it is centered.

3. Put the two studs in the engine housing so you can ride the transmission in on these. Put the transmission up on them and slide it in. Make sure you lift the ass end of the transmission so the side mounting holes to the frame line up vertically, you'll know the transmission is going in straight at that point.

4. As you start to engage the transmission input shaft to the clutch disc, you turn the transmission output shaft to get it to line up the splines. If the clutch pressure plate is loose enough and close enough to center, it will move and the transmission will engage. If you get all the way to the dowel pins, you are in. I then used a rubber mallet to push it about 1/2 way on the dowel pins to ensure it was good.

5. Carefully remove the transmission, keeping the ass end upright and parallel to the engine, so you don't upset the clutch disc.

6. Using a torque wrench, tighten the pressure plate screws to 75% (about 12 N-M), the clutch disc won't move now.

7. Repeat 3, 4, and 5 to ensure everything is good.

8. If good, torque the pressure plate and the install the transmission for good.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(39).jpg)

All home and torqued up. I think this method is probably more fool proof as compared to using a tool. My friend who owns a shop does this with cars. Takes an extra 30 minutes to pull the transmission back out and torque the pressure plate, but you know it's going back in. How many times did you spend HOURS on this?

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(40).jpg)

Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: TommyT on April 23, 2020, 12:09:35 PM
You wrote :  "Used the lube from Beemerboneyard to lube the points as outlined in the manual including the splines."
I can not find what points you are referring to, I guess I have a different manual. I currently have my clutch out and will soon be putting it back in.

Did your drive shaft just come off your transmission output shaft when you removed the swing arm? Mine didn't and will not after many tries to pull it off. In the Chris Harris video it just came out with the swing arm like it was nothing.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 23, 2020, 12:20:53 PM
The driveshaft did not come off with the swing arm. You have to use a leverage point on the transmission case to the driveshaft. I will mock it up later and take a picture. It was not obvious to me, and I still can't remember how I did it.

 On page 167 of the factory manual for the K1100 (download from this site) you will find this:

(https://i.imgur.com/v4EfNje.jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: TommyT on April 23, 2020, 07:03:33 PM
The driveshaft did not come off with the swing arm. You have to use a leverage point on the transmission case to the driveshaft. I will mock it up later and take a picture. It was not obvious to me, and I still can't remember how I did it.

 On page 167 of the factory manual for the K1100 (download from this site) you will find this:

(https://i.imgur.com/v4EfNje.jpg)
Thank you very much. I will download that manual. The K75 clutch looks like the same as the 1100. I am waiting on parts, hopefully soon I can start to put mine together.

Chris Harris must have edited the shaft release trick out of the video I watched. Ha
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 23, 2020, 09:46:43 PM
Did your drive shaft just come off your transmission output shaft when you removed the swing arm? Mine didn't and will not after many tries to pull it off. In the Chris Harris video it just came out with the swing arm like it was nothing.

So here are a couple pictures of the driveshaft and the transmission output shaft.

Here is the driveshaft after removal, you can see there is a clip in there, that engages a relief cut on the transmission output shaft  to keep it from moving axially (if you didn't know, just click on the picture and it will make it full size):

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(46).jpg)

Here is the transmission output shaft, I have already lubed it, but you can see the relief cut on it at the beginning of the shaft, right after the taper, that's what the clip engages on.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(41).jpg)

In order to get the shaft off after pulling the swing arm, you need a lever to pop it off, see where the screwdriver is inserted? You might have to put the transmission in neutral if you can to get it to rotate so you can get to the proper point on the driveshaft to get in the shaft. Just give it some pressure, it will pop out no problem. Now that I look at the design, the taper on the transmission output shaft must be there so the ring naturally rides up on it during INSTALLATION, opens up and then hits the relief cut and falls into place.

You can't tell that I have very large screwdriver, but it is.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(42).jpg)

I rotated the driveshaft a bit to get this angle, you can only get into 180 degrees (90 degrees each opposite of each other), if you are on the other half of the driveshaft, you can't get the angle to get the screwdriver in.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(43).jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 27, 2020, 08:27:06 AM
So she is almost ready to start! Good thing I went through all of this before starting. Need a few more parts and then the big day comes.

First, while I have your attention, I filled the transmission with gear oil, I was surprised that there is no over spill to show you when it is full. I just added 850 ml of gear lube that I basically measured out, is that correct? Just fill it with the prescribed amount? No other way to check it?

This weekend I put the rear end back together, took a little figuring out how to get the boot between the transmission and swing arm engaged, but finally got it when I lifted the driveshaft above the stop in the swing arm. Also, it's not very easy to get the final drive started in the driveshaft, luckily my brother was other and we used a long screw driver to lift the driveshaft above the stop so I could start the final drive.

Also changed the coolant. So all the fluids are now fresh.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(47).jpg)

The brakes on this bike had crystallized brake fluid in them, instead of trying to rebuild the rear brake master cylinder, I bought a used unit for $50 on eBay, appears to be working, flushed the lines, just need the new brake pads so I can see how good it works, but if you push down on the pedal, the pistons start coming out of the bores, so I think I'm good.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(48).jpg)

Put all the ABS stuff back, the foot pegs, alternator, starter, wiring, grounds, etc.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(49).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(50).jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Scott_ on April 27, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Older bikes used the rear shock spanner wrench as the dip stick.
http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,10156.msg86455.html#msg86455
BMW issued a 'dip stick' in the tool roll(newer versions) to be able to measure the transmission fluid level.
It is a flat 'L' shaped metal strip with a line marked 'max' on it.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on April 27, 2020, 01:06:55 PM
Thanks for posting that, went out and measured it with the depth gauge on my calipers and it looks like it's about 0.020" overfilled. I'm calling that one good.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 04, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
IT'S ALIVE!!!

First I got all the parts from Mike in Michigan, thanks for sending those at a fantastic deal!

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(51).jpg)

So I finished the rear brake, just needed pads, so that is sorted out now.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(52).jpg)

Then I went to the fuel system and airbox. I wanted to get the whole airbox back together just like stock before I attempted to start the bike. Man, you have to be in Zen for something like an hour to get it all together and hooked up. I'm sure there are a lot of threads about the design of that thing. What a royal PITA.

New PCV hose replaces the old cracked one.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(53).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(54).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(55).jpg)

Just need a fuel supply now:

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(56).jpg)

Used pump from Mike and some new fuel hose.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(57).jpg)

PC680 battery installed, I actually bought a new one, put it in my K1200GT and put the one from that bike into this bike.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(58).jpg)

Ready for start up, see my heathkit air fuel ratio meter plugged in? It has a sniffer tube that you put in the exhaust and reads A/F mixture. Worked pretty much as I expected.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(59).jpg)

She started right up after a few cranks (less than 10 seconds total), had a little white smoke but that burned off and then I let her heat up for a fan cycle, it cooled down, and I secured her. Now she starts right up.

Runs SOOOO smooth! Still on the list:

- Front brake master cylinder repair or replacement, then fill the brakes with fluid and replace the pads.

- New Tires

- Put the bodywork back on
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on May 04, 2020, 12:38:29 PM
 icon_cheers
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 04, 2020, 12:40:11 PM
If you want to see a video of the exhaust analyzer:

https://youtu.be/4tdLcxPfAZg
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on May 04, 2020, 02:06:26 PM
Were you able to draw any conclusions from that test?
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 04, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
No conclusion, just that it's running correctly. I just put in on the exhaust to monitor. It appeared the mixture was working as BMW designed.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: mw074 on May 04, 2020, 02:30:58 PM
When using the exhaust gas analyzer bear in mind that the choke does not enrichen the fuel mixture. It just increases the idle speed.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: volador on May 04, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
Kill them mosquitos. Congrats sounds sweet

K11 Heat Sink Compound

http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,3061.0.html (http://www.motobrick.com/index.php/topic,3061.0.html)

https://www.k100-forum.com/t12498-most-overlooked-preventative-maintenance-on-early-4vs-k100rs4v-k1-1993-k1100 (https://www.k100-forum.com/t12498-most-overlooked-preventative-maintenance-on-early-4vs-k100rs4v-k1-1993-k1100)


Does your 2003 K1200GT use heat sink compound?
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 10, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
So I got the front brakes up and running today, had to buy a used master cylinder from eBay and then I bleed the brakes which were breaks before all of this. Got it all working and then went out without a seat on my maiden voyage! Around the parking lot behind my garage!

Then I pulled back in my garage and it DIED! WTF!!!

After doing some troubleshooting, figured out the fuel pump wasn't running, but it had spark. Then I put the side stand up which I had put down right when it died. So now I know that works.

LOL

The ABS light kept flashing when I was riding it, so I will look into that. Now I just need to drop $300 on tires, install them, and put it back together.

I really don't want to spend the $300, was thinking I could find a deal, but haven't found one yet.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: TommyT on May 11, 2020, 06:29:20 PM
So I got the front brakes up and running today, had to buy a used master cylinder from eBay and then I bleed the brakes which were breaks before all of this. Got it all working and then went out without a seat on my maiden voyage! Around the parking lot behind my garage!

Then I pulled back in my garage and it DIED! WTF!!!

After doing some troubleshooting, figured out the fuel pump wasn't running, but it had spark. Then I put the side stand up which I had put down right when it died. So now I know that works.

LOL

The ABS light kept flashing when I was riding it, so I will look into that. Now I just need to drop $300 on tires, install them, and put it back together.

I really don't want to spend the $300, was thinking I could find a deal, but haven't found one yet.

Bridgestone is offer a $60 rebate on two tires, I think I got 2 for my 91 100 RS that with the $60 brought it below $300, but I have to check that later when I can dig out the order.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on May 11, 2020, 07:32:15 PM
Can you install and balance your own tires?  If so, Chaparral Motor Sports has Bridgestone Battlax BT46 tires, front and rear, for about $210 with free shipping.

https://www.chapmoto.com/touring-tires/bridgestone

I don't know about the $60 rebate, I think it ended on April 30.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 11, 2020, 08:36:19 PM
Thanks for posting that info. I was thinking of getting radials. I do plan on mounting and balancing myself, or should I say, my friend has the equipment and will be learning.

The Metzler Roadtec Interact ZR8 is about $280 on ebay new, plus I'll have to pay tax, but it includes shipping. I am thinking this is the way I'm going to go. I know a new tire (s) will show up on craigslist or ebay for cheap as soon as I buy them!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: TommyT on May 11, 2020, 09:17:10 PM
Can you install and balance your own tires?  If so, Chaparral Motor Sports has Bridgestone Battlax BT46 tires, front and rear, for about $210 with free shipping.

https://www.chapmoto.com/touring-tires/bridgestone

I don't know about the $60 rebate, I think it ended on April 30.
I got a Bridgestone Battlax T31 Radial front tire from them for $114 and a rear one for $154. Yes the rebate ended 4/30. free shipping.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 13, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
I bought the Metzler Roadtec Z8's.....$282 shipped.

Next question, the handlebars seem to have a lot of movement, I see one of the rubbers is ripped.....but is this movement normal?

https://youtu.be/CWdfkiBMCIk
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on May 13, 2020, 10:08:34 AM
. . . the handlebars seem to have a lot of movement, I see one of the rubbers is ripped.....but is this movement normal?
It could be normal for a handlebar with one of its suspension cushions ripped, especially if the rip is from the perimeter inward.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 13, 2020, 10:11:17 AM
It could be normal for a handlebar with one of its suspension cushions ripped, especially if the rip is from the perimeter inward.

I can't seem to find the part at all on Max BMW, can you see it? If so, please post the part number. I would like to replace them before I put it back together. Thanks!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 13, 2020, 10:16:59 AM
I think I found it, called a "hose"

Here is the part from an auction:

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eccAAOSwiiheVmc9/s-l1600.jpg)

Looks like it is round:

(https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/NotesParts/32712307356_1_B.jpg)

Part Number 32 71 2 307 356
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: johnny on May 13, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
greetings...

i takes those suspension cushions out and putts warshers in there for a ridgid mount and firmer bar...

j o
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on May 13, 2020, 10:30:42 AM
greetings...

i takes those suspension cushions out and putts warshers in there for a ridgid mount and firmer bar...

j o

Johnny-

Having a hard time thinking of how I put in washers, maybe take the plate off, then put the washers around the square shaft and then the plate back on so it sandwiches the washers?
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on May 13, 2020, 10:54:56 AM
I think I found it, called a "hose"Part Number 32 71 2 307 356
That looks like it might act as a bumper to provide tension on the dash. The looseness might also be caused by the suspension cushions, which johnny might be indicating could be removed entirely then replaced with washers. What is the condition of the suspension cushions?
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: beemuker on May 13, 2020, 04:13:37 PM
Johnny-

Having a hard time thinking of how I put in washers, maybe take the plate off, then put the washers around the square shaft and then the plate back on so it sandwiches the washers?
Looks like you could use large washers with small holes , so they fit outside , not in.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on June 01, 2020, 11:35:12 AM
So she is back together. I even have a non-flashing ABS light, it was "6" for the fault code (relay), just needed a little voodoo (reset completed two times) and it went away.

Last week I washed all the parts again and then used old school HD cleanse and Zymol to clean and wax the parts.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(61).jpg)

I put the rear end on first so I could test drive it, then the fairing.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(62).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(63).jpg)

It took a while to figure out where the heat shields go on under the gauge covers, I took pictures, but a lot of trail and error before I got it right.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(65).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(66).jpg)

Here is one connector that I cannot figure out what it goes to. It comes from under the tank, anybody know (click on the picture for a larger view)? It took me a while to get all the other connectors hooked up and working. Could it be for the radio? I don't think it is for the radio, when I hooked the radio back up, it did not power up, so still have to troubleshoot that.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(71).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(69).jpg)

Here is a piece left over, haven't figured out where it goes, but I think somewhere near one of the foot pegs, maybe on the left side?

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(73).jpg)

All done, bike came out great, it's super clean. Have about $2,050 all in and I would say 60 hours of labor. Thanks to Mike in Michigan, he kept my budget much lower than I could of otherwise.

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(74).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(75).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(84).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(85).jpg)

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(87).jpg)

I rode my 2003 K1200GT for about 60 miles Saturday morning, and finished this Saturday afternoon and then took her for a ride. Wow, BIG difference. The K1100 has the most easy clutch to work ever, it doesn't have the cam/power band that the K1200 has, and feels like it was tuned for more torque. Love both of them.

The rear brake needs adjustment or bleeding, it basically doesn't work, the rear shock was bottoming out (or felt like it was), I put 30 PSI into it (it's the aftermarket "Works" shock), have to find a manual and adjust it. After charging it with air, worked much better. The Metzlers are great, still breaking in the front brake pads.

I LOVE how the front windshield is like a battle shield when it rises into place, have to take this bike out for more than around the block.

Thanks to everyone here for helping me out, I am a very experienced mechanic, but this and my K1200 is the first bikes I have worked on in a long time, I feel like I could do anything to a K bike now.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on June 01, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
Here is a piece left over, haven't figured out where it goes, but I think somewhere near one of the foot pegs, maybe on the left side?

(https://audipages.websitesource.net/bike/tn_k1100%20(73).jpg)
It's the alternator cover.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on June 01, 2020, 11:47:17 AM
Of course it is.....because it's going to be so easy to put on!

Darn.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on June 01, 2020, 11:49:24 AM
Of course it is.....because it's going to be so easy to put on!

Darn.
You can do anything to a K bike now.  icon_cheers
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on June 01, 2020, 02:22:27 PM
I think your Works Performance shock needs about 200psi of nitrogen to work properly.  A shop that services the motocross crowd can charge it for you for about $10.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: AtLarge on June 01, 2020, 06:08:47 PM
Looks really good compared to when you first got it.   112350
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 06, 2020, 10:58:06 PM
So I think I finally got my rear brake issue resolved. Put a new brake line on that had a leak, and it took some time to bleed it.

But that's not why I am posting.

DID I DO SOMETHING WRONG? I sure hope not.

I had to take the rear wheel off the bike when I was trying to bleed the caliper, so once I got it sorted, I had put the rear wheel back on and instead of leaving it in neutral and torquing the lug nuts, I think I remembered somebody said to put it in first gear in another post.....

So I put it in first gear and torqued the lug nuts to 75 FT-LBS in two rounds, so I was torquing the engine in the reverse direction, nothing seemed to slip, it all torqued up.

Then I started it on the center stand and now that I think about it I heard a noise that is more like on my K1200GT that sounds like the gearbox rattling around, they all do that in neutral. But never heard it on the K1100. Didn't think anything of it at the time, put it in gear on the center stand so I could test the back brake. I did shift it to 3rd and applied the brake and then the engine stalled. It wouldn't restart. It turns over no problem, but doesn't catch. I can hear the fuel pump cycling when I cycle the ignition. The engine was running for probably 10 seconds in neutral and another 5-10 seconds in gear before it stalled.

DID I DO SOMETHING WRONG? I hope not. WTF. I rode the bike 5 miles so far. Took 3 weeks to get the rear brake line.

Figure I would post before I go to bed. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on July 07, 2020, 07:19:18 AM
There is a switch on the sidestand that kills the spark when the stand is down.  It doesn't stop the fuel pump or starter.  That may be your problem with the engine running.  A secondary problem with that switch is that after you try to start the engine with no spark, the engine floods and won't start.  After sitting all night, if the switch is allowing spark, the engine should start.

The connector for the sidestand switch is on the right side of the bike near the connector for the tank.  I think you can disable it by unplugging it.  The engine should then start if that's the problem.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 07, 2020, 08:14:33 AM
I just went out and tried the bike again....and I have been bit by the side stand switch before (but didn't even think about it this time) and it appears it is working just fine. I can hear it click when I raise/lower it.

Put the timing light on the one spark plug wire I could easily get on and it's sparking when it's cranking. Normally the bike starts right up within 1 second. No dice.

I guess the next thing to do is to check the spark on all the wires and raise/lower the side stand to make sure it cuts it out, since i have the fairing back on, I don't know how hard it will be to get to the fuel rail hose connection as I'm back inside.

Darn, the second I thought I was completely done, it doesn't start any longer after dying out.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on July 07, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
Unplug the Motronic, sing one stanza of Happy Birthday, plug it in again then see if the engine will light up.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Laitch on July 07, 2020, 09:45:05 AM
In fact, just disconnect the ground cable at the transmission and sing a couple of lines from Money for Nothing then reconnect and try starting it.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 07, 2020, 10:20:41 AM
In fact, just disconnect the ground cable at the transmission and sing a couple of lines from Money for Nothing then reconnect and try starting it.

I disconnected the ground cable, sang until the neighbor's dog started howling and noticed the clock was still on. It would still turn over. Then I saw that the Odyssey 680 battery negative terminal extension was touching the bottom of the Motoronic providing a ground path. Loosened everything up so it was no longer touching, the bike was dead for about 60 seconds, hooked up the ground again and nothing. Just turns over and doesn't start.

Glad it's going to be 95 today in Chicago. I'm working in my shed where the bike is jammed in there with a bunch of other things.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 07, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
So I brought it over to my main garage. Verified that it has spark on all four cylinders by using a timing light while turning it over.

Then I took off the fuel line at the aft end of the rail, I was expecting it to be pressurized, but it wasn't. Only the hose had a small amount of fuel coming out of it. Nothing from the rail.

I did buy a used BMW fuel pump for the bike, it did work unit at least yesterday, it could of failed, but if it did, it's a mechanical failure, or so I think as I can hear it running when I cycle the ignition. But it does not pressurize the rail.

The fuel tank is completely full to the top.

What would you do next? I was thinking of jumping the fuel pump with opposite polarity a few times, then plug it back in to see if that changes anything.

Is the line a supply or return? Thanks for any advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzQx76QOPM
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 07, 2020, 04:19:06 PM
I figured it out. The tubing that I used for inside the tank is obviously not correct. I did get it from somebody, it's a Tygon brand and it has this clear sleeve in it, but the sleeve pushed its way out of the tubing and the hose disconnected from the fuel pump discharge.

Now to find some fuel tank hose and I'll be back in business.

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Better in my garage than on the road.

Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Martin on July 08, 2020, 05:42:33 AM
The hose your looking for has to be rated SAE 30 R10 EFI submersible hose.
Regards Martin.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 08, 2020, 09:21:13 AM
I ended up going to my local Ducati dealer, they sold me some hose that they said was rated for in-tank applications, when they said it was $4.15 for a foot, I asked them again if it was rated for in-tank applications and the parts guy stated he uses it on his bike for in-tank. I spent the money and will inspect it in a month or so. Everything is back to normal again.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Martin on July 08, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
If it's rated for in tank application it will have the rating on the hose. If it's not on the hose I would be very wary. I  had a discussion on Tuesday with the local Pirtek hose guy. A local K owner had been using in tank hose sold to him as submersible. I went to check whether it actually was submersible. I was told if it is submersible EFI hose it will be marked as such SAE 30 R10. That is not to say that some unmarked hose may stand up to being submerged and subjected to a petrol ethanol mix. But I for one won't use anything that is not marked correctly, after seeing some of the aftermath of using the incorrect hose.
Regards Martin.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 08, 2020, 03:15:43 PM
I looked up the part number of the hose, I can't find where it is rated for in-tank. I bought a 2' piece off ebay today rated for in-tank and will replace when I get it. Only takes a few minutes. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 09, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
So I went out for my first real ride on this bike this morning, was a little strange at first, but didn't take long to really like it! Love how it goes through turns, so easy to lean the bike over. Very comfortable too.

I like that the gearbox isn't so BANG BANG when downshifting. My K1200 is.

Not as fast as the K1200, but once you get on the K1100, she goes. Feels different all around. Great bike.
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: bizzaro on July 12, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
Great thread!  Compliments to the author.    An excellent read for all, but especially K bike Neophytes. Methodical, no bullshit. Great problem solving and execution. Very thorough.

Above 5k rpm this bike finds it's stride.  Punch the throttle at around 6k or a little better and out comes this deep throated growl that will make you grin like when you got your hands on your first set o titties!  Oh, and my K11, runs rich, always has, (better than lean I figure) burns a little oil too.  But it has never left me stranded. Once you get the components up to par, it will run forever! 112350
Title: Re: Looks like I will be Picking Up a K110LT on Saturday
Post by: Paul_Waterloo on July 20, 2020, 10:30:08 AM
So I received my SAE 30 R10 submersible hose and installed it on Saturday, the other hose was already getting hosed.....it was starting to get soft. Definitely not for submergence. So it's all good now.

Then I rode with three other guys up to Lake Geneva, WI from Chicago and back yesterda, about 200 miles. Shortly after we left it was raining, not too hard for about 30 minutes.

I can't believe how GOOD this bike rides, so incredibly easy to ride, lean over, everything. I think I need to change out my front fork oil, but I can do that over the off season.

It is really confidence inspiring as compared to my 03 K1200GT. That bike you really have to shift your weight through the corners if you want to feel comfortable, and it's much heavier/harder to balance at low speeds as compared to the K1100. I don't mind not having the 6th gear on the K1100, but it would be nice. And once you know how to get on it, she is a fast beast.