Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 11:18:45 AM
Just picked this up from fleabay,but...
apparently, it’s from a generation II set. Do I need a different rack than the one I have?(see pic).
I have no mounting plate with it, but even so, the rack seems too wide for it to fit. I’m guessing it’s the wrong one.
Post by: BrickDad on September 07, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
Post by: johnny on September 07, 2019, 11:29:36 AM
you know whats whack...
thats right... not using the fische is whack...
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Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 11:35:02 AM
greetings...
you know whats whack...
thats right... not using the fische is whack...
j o
good point, Johnny. But O just want a pic of the right rack, would be nice...
Post by: Laitch on September 07, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
good point, Johnny. But O just want a pic of the right rack, would be nice...Those are photos of the correct rack. One photo shows a side profile of the correct rack on a rear cowl; another shows the correct rack with the mounting plate next to it. The plate snaps into the space between the interior rails of the rack. The pin passes through the center of the top case's interior floor, through the hole then is rotated to lock the case to the plate.
Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 12:07:25 PM
Those are photos of the correct rack. One photp shows a side profile of the correct rack on a rear cowl; another shows the correct rack with the mounting plate next to it. The plate snaps into the space between the interior rails of the rack. The pin passes through the center of the top case's interior floor, through the hole then is rotated to lock the case to the plate.Thanks.
So what is the rack I have?,and will the other one fit in the same holes in the cowl, as it’s from a generation 2 set?
Post by: Laitch on September 07, 2019, 12:17:35 PM
So what is the rack I have?,and will the other one fit in the same holes in the cowl, as it’s from a generation 2 set?I don't know the origin of your rack. I don't know if the dimensions of the correct rack's cowl fastener locations will coincide with the holes made in the cowl for your moto's current rack.
Your top case is not designed to fit that rack. The case's bottom recess is designed to conform to the perimeter of the rack for which it was made. Generation numbers don't apply to 22l top cases; their only differences might be how their lid hinges are constructed.
Post by: Chaos on September 07, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
if you're attached to that mounting bracket and can't spring for the BMW original and the scarce-as-hen's-teeth mounting plate, there are aftermarket alternatives. I have Emgo's box on my Ural, not a sexy as the iconic 22L but sturdy, cheap, and functional with a universal mounting system. https://www.amazon.com/Emgo-72-32440-Travel-Trunk/dp/B000GVD0VEnah, I’ve got the 22 litre now. I’ll have to source a different rack. The plate isn’t that rare,here. They were police bikes in the 80’s, so quite a few around. Most Have been cafe’d.
Post by: Martin on September 07, 2019, 04:13:43 PM
Regards Martin.
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Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 04:28:04 PM
The rack on the cowl you looks similar to the optional OEM top box rack that goes on top of the 22 Lt. I could possibly be used as such if you needed extra storage. However I looked at fitting the optional top rack but I didn't want to stress the lid any futher. Picture of the OEM optional rack for comparison which are even rarer than the 22Lt in OZ.Thanks Martin. Hmmm... rarer, you say...?
Regards Martin.
Post by: Martin on September 07, 2019, 04:43:27 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 05:19:23 PM
Besides the one my mate has there has only been one other for sale on Ebay in the last year.Hmmm... so a 22 litre iconic top box WITH the optional top rack would be a sight to behold, then? Great, as I’m trying to get my k75 as original as possible.
Regards Martin.
Post by: Martin on September 07, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
Regards Martin.
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Post by: daveson on September 07, 2019, 05:43:54 PM
The approximate centre to centre measurements are
Left to right, front, 172mm (6+3/4")
Left to right, rear, 160mm (6+5/16")
Front to rear, 137mm (5+3/8")
Post by: Soggz on September 07, 2019, 06:03:54 PM
Soggz I just tried to get a part number but no listing. So are they OEM or are they by an accessory manufacturer? The one that was on Ebay was advertised as OEM. The couple that I have seen over the last 20 years all looked the same slightly tapered as per the posted picture.I honestly don’t know, as it was on the bike when I bought it.
Regards Martin.
Post by: Martin on September 07, 2019, 06:14:13 PM
Regards Martin.
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Post by: daveson on September 07, 2019, 06:55:18 PM
Post by: Martin on September 07, 2019, 07:25:26 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: volador on September 07, 2019, 08:29:24 PM
As I said earlier I did look at buying the one listed on Ebay but decided it would put too much strain on the lid. I've had one answer as to whether it's OEM or not, saying not. I'm now trying to find out who made them. I've seen at least two fitted to Bricks in OZ and the one a mate has which came with a 22Lt top box he bought and the one advertised on Ebay as OEM BMW. I've also never seen them associated with any other brand bike. I suspect they might have been an OZ aftermarket thing. Still trying to dig up more information.That may be an old Givi rack.
Regards Martin.
Givi makes a variety of top racks for there multitude of top cases.
Post by: Soggz on September 08, 2019, 01:36:21 AM
I have also sourced a original top box rack from flea bay last night for £12.00. Just need a 'slide mount plate' doodah,now. The locking pin came with the box.
Post by: Laitch on September 08, 2019, 05:00:18 AM
I'm guessing that they are OEM, as there are no other holes in the cowl.The cowls didn't have holes drilled in them from the factory. They were drilled when a rack was mounted as an option. Let us know if these holes line up with the holes on the rack that fits the 22L case.
Post by: Soggz on September 11, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
Post by: Soggz on September 11, 2019, 02:00:34 PM
Post by: Martin on September 11, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: volador on September 13, 2019, 01:01:07 PM
No need. The holes are the same.Im guessing that the rack that was on there is the oem one.
Siebenrock Krauser Tail Cowl Rear Rack
Post by: D.Bachtel on September 13, 2019, 02:17:13 PM
Siebenrock Krauser Tail Cowl Rear Rack
That may be the rack I want, or need - hard to say.
It is tubular with a 6 pack friendly base.
I'll look around, thanks for the ID.
Post by: Soggz on September 14, 2019, 01:18:42 PM
Yes, it IS the rack you NEED. Very,very rare, now. I only know of one! Ultimate BMW k75 accessory.All the best people have one...lol
That may be the rack I want, or need - hard to say.
It is tubular with a 6 pack friendly base.
I'll look around, thanks for the ID.
Post by: D.Bachtel on September 14, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
Post by: MCRyder on September 14, 2019, 01:51:39 PM
Post by: Laitch on September 14, 2019, 03:54:00 PM
The only niggle was the box had to be kept locked or it'd pop open. Happened as I was following a friend who had one. Hit a dip and next thing it was raining stuff out.Any owner of these iconic creations will likely benefit from installing an external security latch or strap on it. The wire bail onto which that button latch engages inside the box needs bending and forming to create a tight closure.
Post by: Martin on September 14, 2019, 04:23:37 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: alabrew on September 14, 2019, 04:57:04 PM
Post by: Soggz on September 15, 2019, 01:58:55 AM
Post by: Chaos on September 15, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
Post by: volador on September 16, 2019, 02:54:01 AM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/r6sAAOSwc81dVTfl/s-l500.jpg)
Hepco & Becker Rack (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bmw-K75S-K-75-S-Luggage-Rack-Luggage-Carrier-Topcase-Support-Black-K75RT-K-75-Rt/352756303116?hash=item5221ea050c:g:r6sAAOSwc81dVTfl)
Post by: Soggz on September 16, 2019, 05:47:32 AM
Looks just like Soggz vintage racknope. Not really.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/r6sAAOSwc81dVTfl/s-l500.jpg)
Hepco & Becker Rack (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bmw-K75S-K-75-S-Luggage-Rack-Luggage-Carrier-Topcase-Support-Black-K75RT-K-75-Rt/352756303116?hash=item5221ea050c:g:r6sAAOSwc81dVTfl)
Post by: Laitch on September 16, 2019, 07:24:21 AM
Looks just like Soggz vintage rackNope. Soggz's has shorter and seemingly equal length legs.
Post by: Soggz on September 16, 2019, 09:15:29 AM
Nope. Soggz's has shorter and seemingly equal length legs.This.
As a rack, it’s quite useless, because of the angle. Things just want to fall off of it.
Post by: Laitch on September 16, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
This.You need to tie things onto it; that's why it has the horizontal bars; otherwise, you need to lower the front tire pressure—maybe even adapting and mounting a smaller rim, say 12" to help level the cowl face—and also to ride veeery slowly avoiding bumps and inclines. Try putting blu-tack on the bottom of things. :-D
As a rack, it’s quite useless, because of the angle. Things just want to fall off of it.
Post by: Soggz on September 16, 2019, 02:09:45 PM
You need to tie things onto it; that's why it has the horizontal bars; otherwise, you need to lower the front tire pressure—maybe even adapting and mounting a smaller rim, say 12" to help level the cowl face—and also to ride veeery slowly avoiding bumps and inclines. Try putting blu-tack on the bottom of things. :-Dnah, I’ll put it on the top of my iconic 22 litre topbox for the ultimate K75C iconic 22 litre topbox and ultra rare rack look, that everybody wants, but can’t have!
Post by: johnny on September 16, 2019, 02:14:01 PM
i have 2 of those bung racks at the motobrick garage.. complete with bolts warshers nuts... all oe from the motherland...
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Post by: D.Bachtel on September 16, 2019, 02:40:21 PM
Post by: Soggz on September 16, 2019, 02:55:59 PM
greetings...Not for me thanks, I have one.
i have 2 of those bung racks at the motobrick garage.. complete with bolts warshers nuts... all oe from the motherland...
who wants to be the 1st bidder...
j o
Post by: MCRyder on September 16, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
Post by: MCRyder on September 16, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
I bought this Reynolds rack for my R100RT almost 20 years ago. It didn't fit so I hung it on a nail where it's been since. Any guesses on what Beemer it does fit?
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Post by: Chaos on September 16, 2019, 08:09:11 PM
Post by: Soggz on September 17, 2019, 11:36:41 AM
Post by: Laitch on September 17, 2019, 11:51:11 AM
Like this.Nope.
Post by: Soggz on September 17, 2019, 12:25:16 PM
Nope.Ha Ha!
Post by: Soggz on September 17, 2019, 12:31:13 PM
The OEM retaining plate had thin foam rubber piece glued on the underside that tends to disintegrate with age. You might want to replace it if it's shot or missing. The OEM kit also came with a piece of clear contact adhesive that was attached to the ducktail to prevent paint damage when fitting and removing the plate. I used anti slip deck tape in lieu of the clear.Hi Martin. I’m after a topbox retaining plate now. Is that the correct term for it?
Regards Martin.
Thanks.
Post by: MCRyder on September 17, 2019, 12:41:13 PM
It looks vaguely like an R65 rack, this thread may be helpful. https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?71381-Installing-monosock-reynolds-backrest-rack Pricey buggers on ebay, you may have a small fortune hanging on that nail.
Post by: Martin on September 17, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: Soggz on September 17, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
Soggz BMW refers to it as the mounting plate. Motoworks shows them as available secondhand for 22 pound.Thanks Martin. I shall give them a ring tomorrow.
Regards Martin.
Post by: johnny on September 17, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
Post by: Soggz on September 18, 2019, 02:46:23 AM
I don’t drink, Johnny.
Post by: Laitch on September 18, 2019, 10:41:11 AM
I don’t drink, Johnny.Do you avoid water, other liquids and ice, too? No wonder your humor is so dry—almost arid. :-)
Post by: Soggz on September 18, 2019, 11:17:53 AM
Do you avoid water, other liquids and ice, too? No wonder your humor is so dry—almost arid. :-)I just don’t drink alcohol. I use the money for bike parts. It’s healthier and more productive.
Post by: alabrew on September 18, 2019, 02:20:10 PM
An interesting collection of beers there Johnny. Kudos on the Bigfoot.
Post by: Soggz on September 18, 2019, 02:23:50 PM
No problem, that will leave more for the others.Your welcome.
An interesting collection of beers there Johnny. Kudos on the Bigfoot.
Post by: johnny on September 19, 2019, 09:05:41 AM
i prefer busche light in the can... especially if they gotts the pumpkin spice busche light... butts they were out...
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Post by: Soggz on October 12, 2019, 02:47:31 PM
Anyone got a pic of a mounting plate please?
I can’t seem to find one, so I’m going to try and make something similar.
Thanks.
Post by: Past-my-Prime on October 12, 2019, 03:00:36 PM
Hi.
Anyone got a pic of a mounting plate please?
I can’t seem to find one, so I’m going to try and make something similar.
Thanks.
Soggs, I'd love to post a photo but sadly despite my generally good IT skills this website kills me. I've managed occasionally to upload photos but usually when I'm done uploading they disappear.
this is the best one I could find and it's in a thread that you started!!
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Post by: Soggz on October 12, 2019, 03:54:52 PM
Soggs, I'd love to post a photo but sadly despite my generally good IT skills this website kills me. I've managed occasionally to upload photos but usually when I'm done uploading they disappear.lol, yes, I know. But that’s a rear rack. I need a pic of the Mounting Plate, for the top box to sit on.
this is the best one I could find and it's in a thread that you started!!
Post by: Soggz on October 12, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Soggz BMW refers to it as the mounting plate. Motoworks shows them as available secondhand for 22 pound.Hi Martin.
Regards Martin.
I rang them, but they are rare as hens teeth. I would like a few detailed pics of one to see what I can knock up in the lab.
Post by: Past-my-Prime on October 12, 2019, 04:53:15 PM
Post by: Soggz on October 12, 2019, 05:36:08 PM
There is a pin that goes through the bottom of the 22 L and it threads with a 1/4 turn into the plate that is in the photo. That is the plate. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?yes, you are misunderstanding the question. I need a pic of the plate, that fits inside that pic of the rack.
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Post by: Martin on October 12, 2019, 05:50:24 PM
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Post by: Martin on October 12, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on October 12, 2019, 07:22:37 PM
The MaxBMW parts fiche shows the mounting plate P/N 46 54 2 300 449 for $66.89. Place an order and you'll have it in two weeks.
Post by: Soggz on October 12, 2019, 08:05:21 PM
What am I missing here???your missing the fact that I rang them for one, and they ain’t in stock, as they are far and few between.
The MaxBMW parts fiche shows the mounting plate P/N 46 54 2 300 449 for $66.89. Place an order and you'll have it in two weeks.
Post by: Soggz on October 12, 2019, 08:07:34 PM
your missing the fact that I rang motoworks
for one, and they ain’t in stock, as they are far and few between.
Post by: Laitch on October 12, 2019, 08:26:49 PM
With a regular search of eBay and other sites, everything turns up eventually though.
Post by: Soggz on October 13, 2019, 02:53:24 AM
I think a point is trying to be made that MaxBMW in New Hampshire, USA is listing them as available. They might not be in house now but they can get them. If they can't get them at all, they list them as NA or backorder.yeah, thanks. Shipping from the USA is ridiculous though, as I found out when my final drive turned up from California. The import tax is the one! Dunno what it’s gonna be like with this brexit shit.
With a regular search of eBay and other sites, everything turns up eventually though.
I hope Trumps a biker! Lol
Post by: volador on October 15, 2019, 03:41:06 PM