Post by: TommyT on September 06, 2019, 08:26:50 PM
Post by: Scott_ on September 06, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
Post by: Martin on September 06, 2019, 10:09:31 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: K1300S on September 07, 2019, 09:39:16 AM
http://www.mrinjector.us/
https://www.rcfuelinjection.com/Store/c/fuel-injector-cleaning
I send all my injectors to RC. car and bike.
Post by: johnny on September 07, 2019, 09:52:52 AM
the russ collins crew can fondle my injectors anytime they wish... i didnt know of their injector operation... good to know...
this is russ collins of rc fuel injection... can you give me a yeeeeehaaaaaa...
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Post by: K1300S on September 07, 2019, 08:54:51 PM
i started using RC for my race car injectors 15+ years ago. lost track of how many sets they have done for me since!
Post by: TommyT on September 08, 2019, 12:50:48 PM
http://www.mrinjector.us/Thanks, I have read good things about him, but I am worried that these injectors would be DOA at Mr. injector. Maybe I should call him and see what he would charge if he can't get them to work.
Post by: TommyT on September 08, 2019, 01:02:21 PM
Try soaking for 15 min I lacquer thinners I have my own cleaner tester and used to use injector cleaner. I was talking to the guy at the place where I get "O" rings and injectors parts. He asked me what I was using to clean them and when I said injector cleaner he said it's too dear and that they use lacquer thinners. It might work better if you remove the filter screens, this will allow the cleaner to get right in. A brief application of a 9v battery on and off helps but unless you want a fireball no flames and no sparks. A mate gave me a set of deemed unsalvageable injectors which had been soaked in injector cleaner to no avail, lacquer thinners cleaned them up.Okay I tried one , soaked it for about 20 minutes, tried a 9 volt and I just got no click. Will try again later and i will try soaking a different one.
Regards Martin.
Post by: Martin on September 08, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
Regards Martin
Post by: Laitch on September 08, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
Maybe I should call him and see what he would charge if he can't get them to work.I believe that is important for you to do. He provides a service for testing and cleaning injectors. I'd expect to pay for that service to each injector regardless of its outcome. His warranty states no allowance will be made for labor in the case of mechanical faults.
Post by: TommyT on September 08, 2019, 09:12:43 PM
Did you remove the injector filter screens??Well I looked at the top of the injector and could not figure how to do that, help please?
Regards Martin
Post by: TommyT on September 08, 2019, 09:18:20 PM
I believe that is important for you to do. He provides a service for testing and cleaning injectors. I'd expect to pay for that service to each injector regardless of its outcome. His warranty states no allowance will be made for labor in the case of mechanical faults.Agree, I guess was going to ask if he looked at them before starting and said "Gee these are real junk, I can't help." that I would not have to pay return shipping. Maybe I will send him one and see what happens. I guess his report can tell me if it is junk and then I should not brother sending him the other two.
Post by: Martin on September 08, 2019, 11:21:19 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: TommyT on September 09, 2019, 06:40:34 AM
They are removed by screwing in a self taping screw of the appropriate diameter, then pull out the screen with a pair of vice grips or pliers. You can clamp the injector in a vice fitted with soft jaws if needed. You will need to get new replacement screens. If you have access to a sonic jewellery cleaner this can help, do not use thinners in it, but you can use vinegar.Thanks for your help. I was just looking up where to get new filters and how much they are when I found this nice video on how to remove and replace the parts on a fuel injector from Mr. Injector. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2sD5UsOnJs&feature=youtu.be
Regards Martin.
I will try this on one of them after I have a couple of cups of coffee. It's early here now.
Post by: K1300S on September 09, 2019, 08:43:10 AM
before
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after
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just do it.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on September 09, 2019, 09:37:59 AM
Bike fired up immediately with them, and with fresh fuel and a bit of throttle balancing idles and runs beautifully.
These are the ones I got:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-4-Fuel-injectors-Fits-BMW-K100-RS-RT-LT-2-Valve-Engines-Motorcycle/132334916168?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Post by: TommyT on September 09, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
Since I'm not racing my bikes in international GP's, when the latest showed up in the garage with two missing injectors and the other two DOA I decided to try the $10 injectors you can find on eBay. What the hell, all the damn things are is a friggin' coil, a spring and a needle valve.Thanks, but I am confused. You got 4 for $40 or each one is $40? Some of the other ebay injectors are going for about $40 each. They do listed them funny, so I am wondering.
Bike fired up immediately with them, and with fresh fuel and a bit of throttle balancing idles and runs beautifully.
These are the ones I got:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-4-Fuel-injectors-Fits-BMW-K100-RS-RT-LT-2-Valve-Engines-Motorcycle/132334916168?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Post by: TommyT on September 09, 2019, 12:57:38 PM
Thanks for your help. I was just looking up where to get new filters and how much they are when I found this nice video on how to remove and replace the parts on a fuel injector from Mr. Injector. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2sD5UsOnJs&feature=youtu.beWell I took the screens off all of them and the injectors look very rusty inside. I let them all soak for 25 minutes, and I tired all with 9 volts and still no click!! I would be happy to send them to a injector cleaner but I think they might be DOA. This bike might have sat for 10 years and it was not running when I got it. The tank had water and gas in it and looked like hell until I clean it. Just to happy to be proven wrong I think I will send one off to see it they are truly DOA.
I will try this on one of them after I have a couple of cups of coffee. It's early here now.
Post by: Laitch on September 09, 2019, 03:46:44 PM
Post by: Martin on September 09, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: The Mighty Gryphon on September 09, 2019, 04:32:29 PM
Thanks, but I am confused. You got 4 for $40 or each one is $40? Some of the other ebay injectors are going for about $40 each. They do listed them funny, so I am wondering.
$10 each, $40 for a set of four. At that price I can't be bothered with screwing around with bad ones anymore.
Post by: TommyT on September 10, 2019, 06:27:38 PM
Let us know the outcome and whatever costs you incur by this cautious approach.Will do!
Post by: TommyT on September 10, 2019, 06:28:32 PM
Fill them with a good quality penetrant (not WD40) immerse the tips in the same penetrant and let them soak for a week or two. Occasionally give them a short zap with the 9v battery. A sonic jewellery would help.I have some PB Blaster, will that do ?
Regards Martin.
Post by: alabrew on September 10, 2019, 06:34:45 PM
Hard to beat the $40 for 4, only one set left!
Post by: TommyT on September 10, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
When I send the ’85’s injectors off to Mr. Injector, he returned them with a note that he could not git one of them to spray to his satisfaction and also sent 4 refurbished injectors all for the same price as if only the originals were cleaned cleaned.Good to know, I have not had the time to call him about mine. So he sent you back other refurbished ones when yours did not work right?
Hard to beat the $40 for 4, only one set left!
Post by: Martin on September 10, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: TommyT on September 18, 2019, 09:06:35 AM
I am not sure how water got so deep into the fuel system, the bike sat for long time, but I would think the water in the gas would have been confined to the gas tank. Unless someone tried to start the bike after the corn gas attracted water into the tank and then water being heavier then gas got sucked into the injectors and then the bike sat longer after that to start the rusting of injectors.
Post by: Laitch on September 18, 2019, 10:29:10 AM
Unless someone tried to start the bike after the corn gas attracted water into the tank . . .Water infiltrated fuel long before the widespread use of ethanol in gasoline. That's why it was recommend to keep fuel tanks topped up in deep winter or in idle vehicles to lessen condensation in fuel tanks. Condensation runs down fuel tank walls then enters the fuel creating multiple problems because water sinks through the fuel to the bottom of the tank and is picked up by the fuel pump. Ethanol combines water with fuel—to a certain extent—so at least water then has a greater chance of leaving the system through combustion. Neglect and idleness are the greatest reasons for component failure, not 10% or less ethanol in fuel.
Post by: Martin on September 18, 2019, 05:02:45 PM
Regards Martin.
Post by: schrocketeer on September 19, 2019, 11:21:24 PM
I tried 2 weeks of soaking in Berryman's carb cleaner bucket ($20 from the local auto parts store). No "click" response with 12 Volts across the Leads. Put them back for another week. Still no click. Put them in for a few more days. Happy clicky-opening sounds!
Somewhere else on this forum, there's a list of cars that have compatible o-rings, something like a Chevy Cavalier from the 2000's. Full set for the k100 was less than $4.00.
After I got the fuel tank all cleaned out, and the fuel pump and filter replaced, I connected the fuel injectors in to the rail, but NOT in to the engine. I put a piece of notebook paper under the injectors, then hit the starter. Some nasty orange/brown goo came out right away. Then it started squirting clean gas.
That was 15k miles ago. No fuel issues since.
Post by: TommyT on September 20, 2019, 05:21:39 PM
My 85 k100rt had sat for three years with ethanol included gasoline.That is encouraging, I am still spraying PB Blaster into them hoping to get the same results that you got. I got a number at NAPA for o rings that will fit and new filters for them. I did use the eBay injectors, but I was concern that when I had to pull off the pin holed fuel rail the plastic tips and filters came off with the stuck upper O rings. They did go back together okay but I did notice the use of plastic in them. The bike did start up today, but I ran into another surprising problem with the project bike. That will be posted up in another topic soon.
I tried 2 weeks of soaking in Berryman's carb cleaner bucket ($20 from the local auto parts store). No "click" response with 12 Volts across the Leads. Put them back for another week. Still no click. Put them in for a few more days. Happy clicky-opening sounds!
Somewhere else on this forum, there's a list of cars that have compatible o-rings, something like a Chevy Cavalier from the 2000's. Full set for the k100 was less than $4.00.
After I got the fuel tank all cleaned out, and the fuel pump and filter replaced, I connected the fuel injectors in to the rail, but NOT in to the engine. I put a piece of notebook paper under the injectors, then hit the starter. Some nasty orange/brown goo came out right away. Then it started squirting clean gas.
That was 15k miles ago. No fuel issues since.